Have you ever been taught that you're worthless, depraved, or nothing more than useless "whale spit"? In this episode, Mike and Susan talk honestly about the lingering effects of that message and how it shaped their view of themselves—and of God. They explore the freedom of discovering that God doesn't see us as disposable tools but as deeply loved sons and daughters. If you're still untangling the effects of religious shame, this conversation is for you.