This conversation began as a Nombase webinar, and due to listener demand, we turned it into a podcast episode.

In this episode, Evan Walther of Oceans walks through a discussion with Troy Bonde, co-founder and CEO of Sauz, William Hicks, CEO and co-founder of Magic Mind, and Ian Myers, founder of Oceans, on what really happens when a CPG brand moves from early traction into serious growth.They get into the messy middle between roughly $2M and $20M in revenue, when product market fit is real, but the team, cash flow, operations, and retail systems are suddenly under pressure.

You will learn:

• How Sauz handled a Target PO bigger than its lifetime revenue

• Why founder bandwidth becomes the first real scaling bottleneck

• How Magic Mind improved cash flow by renegotiating supplier terms

• Why unit velocity matters more than top line revenue in retail

• When to spend on packaging before paid marketing

• How to use retail media, demos, and display to drive trial

• Why early hiring mistakes can create more drag than leverage

• How to know when your systems are breaking before your team does

If your brand is working, but everything is starting to feel stretched, this episode will help you understand what's normal, what's avoidable, and what to fix before growth breaks the business.