What Came Next

Content Warning: sexual assault, rape, image-based sexual abuse, strangulation, domestic violence, and attempted murder.

As shared in part one of her story, Kelly Sutliff is a survivor, founder of the nonprofit Kelly’s K-9’s: Tails of Courage, and a licensed professional counselor from New Jersey. In 2018, after a devastating grief journey, Kelly decided to return to her search for a life partner. It wouldn’t be long before she met a government contractor promising her the future she desired. However, her entire life changed on December 16th, 2019, when the loving relationship she had been cultivating with her new husband ended violently. After surviving an alleged attempted murder, Kelly has made it her mission to bring awareness and advocacy through her non-profit and sharing her story in the media. The Broken Cycle Media team is so very grateful for Kelly’s transparency, expertise, warmth, and listenership and support throughout the years.

Kelly's K-9's: Tails of Courage
https://www.kellysk9s.org/

Kelly's K-9's on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/kellys_k9s_tailsofcourage/

Kelly on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/real_talk_with_kelly/

IDtv's 'Toxic':
https://www.investigationdiscovery.com/show/toxic-investigation-discovery-atve-us

For a list of additional resources and related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

Content Warning: sexual assault, rape, image-based sexual abuse, strangulation, domestic violence, and attempted murder.

Kelly Sutliff is a survivor, founder of the nonprofit Kelly’s K-9’s: Tails of Courage, and a licensed professional counselor from New Jersey. In 2018, after a devastating grief journey, Kelly decided to return to her search for a life partner. It wouldn’t be long before she met a government contractor promising her the future she desired. However, her entire life changed on December 16th, 2019, when the loving relationship she had been cultivating with her new husband ended violently. After surviving an alleged attempted murder, Kelly has made it her mission to bring awareness and advocacy through her non-profit and sharing her story in the media. The Broken Cycle Media team is so very grateful for Kelly’s transparency, expertise, warmth, and listenership and support throughout the years.

Kelly's K-9's: Tails of Courage
https://www.kellysk9s.org/

Kelly's K-9's on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/kellys_k9s_tailsofcourage/

Kelly on Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/real_talk_with_kelly/

For a list of additional resources and related non-profit organizations, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

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Content warning: sexual abuse, sexual assault, sexual abuse material, image-based sexual abuse, drug-facilitated sexual abuse, drug-facilitated rape, and rape.

Jenn Wilenta is a mother, survivor, educator, dancer, and advocate. After pursuing a degree in contemporary dance, Jenn reinvented her career several times to evolve with her burgeoning family. However, her trajectory would forever change in 2015 when she found a folder of videos on her partner-at-the-time’s computer. The videos showed her an alternate reality to the one she was living in, and life as she knew it changed forever. As a result, she would eventually seek justice within the criminal legal system, and cultivate her own sense of justice outside of it.  This led her to begin vulnerably sharing her experiences in her social media-based series, Tiny Kitchen Dances, which then led to the making of her documentary, Tiny Movements. The Broken Cycle Media team is so grateful Jenn was willing to share her story so powerfully and eloquently for the sake of our audience’s awareness.

Support Jenn:
- Jenn's Website: https://www.jenniferwilenta.com/
- Jenn's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/tinykitchendances/
- Tiny Movements Film: https://www.tinymovementsfilm.com/
- Tiny Movements on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/tinymovementsfilm/

For a list of related resources and non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

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Content warning: sexual abuse, sexual assault, sexual abuse material, image-based sexual abuse, drug-facilitated sexual abuse, drug-facilitated rape, and rape.

Jenn Wilenta is a mother, survivor, educator, dancer, and advocate. After pursuing a degree in contemporary dance, Jenn reinvented her career several times to evolve with her burgeoning family. However, her trajectory would forever change in 2015 when she found a folder of videos on her partner-at-the-time’s computer. The videos showed her an alternate reality to the one she was living in, and life as she knew it changed forever. As a result, she would eventually seek justice within the criminal legal system, and cultivate her own sense of justice outside of it.  This led her to begin vulnerably sharing her experiences in her social media-based series, Tiny Kitchen Dances, which then led to the making of her documentary, Tiny Movements. The Broken Cycle Media team is so grateful Jenn was willing to share her story so powerfully and eloquently for the sake of our audience’s awareness.

Support Jenn:
- Jenn's Website: https://www.jenniferwilenta.com/
- Jenn's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/tinykitchendances/
- Tiny Movements Film: https://www.tinymovementsfilm.com/
- Tiny Movements on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/tinymovementsfilm/

For a list of related resources and non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

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Content warning: grooming, sexual abuse, sexual abuse material, image-based sexual abuse, drug-facilitated sexual abuse, sexual assault, drug-facilitated rape, and rape.

Jenn Wilenta is a mother, survivor, educator, dancer, and advocate. After pursuing a degree in contemporary dance, Jenn reinvented her career several times to evolve with her burgeoning family. However, her trajectory would forever change in 2015 when she found a folder of videos on her partner-at-the-time’s computer. The videos showed her an alternate reality to the one she was living in, and life as she knew it changed forever. As a result, she would eventually seek justice within the criminal legal system, and cultivate her own sense of justice outside of it.  This led her to begin vulnerably sharing her experiences in her social media-based series, Tiny Kitchen Dances, which then led to the making of her documentary, Tiny Movements. The Broken Cycle Media team is so grateful Jenn was willing to share her story so powerfully and eloquently for the sake of our audience’s awareness.

Support Jenn:
- Jenn's Website: https://www.jenniferwilenta.com/
- Jenn's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/tinykitchendances/
- Tiny Movements Film: https://www.tinymovementsfilm.com/

For a list of related resources and non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

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Content warning: child abuse, religious abuse, religious trauma, child sexual abuse material, image-based sexual abuse, financial abuse, emotional abuse, mental abuse, intimate partner violence, sexual assault, and suicidal ideation.

Kate Johnson is a survivor, writer, poet, and occasional humorist whose work explores the process of deconstructing the evangelical beliefs and structures in which she was raised. A wordsmith who has also lived with a parent on the sex offender registry, Kate shares about the impact of her trauma, shame, grief, and estrangement. Her goal is to offer people inspiration and awareness amidst their own personal deconstruction process. The Broken Cycle Media team is incredibly appreciative of Kate's energy, time, advocacy, and her willingness to discuss hard truths in order to help ease others' trauma and lift their shame.

Kate on Substack: https://substack.com/@katejohnsonwrites
Kate on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/katejohnsonwrites/
Kate on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@katejohnsonwrites

For a list of resources and non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

Content warning: substance use disorder, substance abuse, domestic violence, intimate partner violence, elder abuse, child-to-parent violence and abuse, and murder.

Ginger Goetz is a mother, graphic designer, and co-victim of murder from Kentucky. Since the 2015 murder of her mother, and the consequent legal battle to keep her sister imprisoned for the crime, Ginger has made it her life mission to bring awareness to intrafamilial murder & child-to-parent violence. In just over a decade, she has shared her and her mother’s story on many different platforms including Evil Lives Here, Deadly Women, Snapped, and more. She does so to honor her mother, Carlene, and to help others who may be navigating similar violence. The Broken Cycle Media team is deeply grateful for Ginger’s time, energy, and shared mission in grief. These two episodes are dedicated in loving memory of Carlene Conley.

If you believe you are in immediate danger, call your local emergency services. If you suspect you or a loved one may be a victim of domestic violence and/or child-to-parent violence and abuse in the United States, you can contact the National Domestic Violence Hotline by calling 1-800-799-7233, texting "START" to 88788, or visiting thehotline.org to speak with a trained advocate. If you are outside the U.S., please contact a domestic violence support service in your country or region.

For a list of additional resources, visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources for a list of non-profit organizations that can help.

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Content warning: substance use disorder, substance abuse, domestic violence, intimate partner violence, elder abuse, child-to-parent violence and abuse, and murder.

Ginger Goetz is a mother, graphic designer, and co-victim of murder from Kentucky. Since the 2015 murder of her mother, and the consequent legal battle to keep her sister imprisoned for the crime, Ginger has made it her life mission to bring awareness to intrafamilial murder & child-to-parent violence. In just over a decade, she has shared her and her mother’s story on many different platforms including Evil Lives Here, Deadly Women, Snapped, and more. She does so to honor her mother, Carlene, and to help others who may be navigating similar violence. The Broken Cycle Media team is deeply grateful for Ginger’s time, energy, and shared mission in grief. These two episodes are dedicated in loving memory of Carlene Conley.

If you believe you are in immediate danger, call your local emergency services. If you suspect you or a loved one may be a victim of domestic violence and/or child-to-parent violence and abuse in the United States, you can contact the National Domestic Violence Hotline by calling 1-800-799-7233, texting "START" to 88788, or visiting thehotline.org to speak with a trained advocate. If you are outside the U.S., please contact a domestic violence support service in your country or region.

For a list of additional resources, visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources for a list of non-profit organizations that can help.

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Content warning: stalking, child sexual abuse material, childhood sexual abuse, kidnapping, rape.

Liz is a mother and survivor from New York. When she was 14 years old, the police launched an investigation with her next door neighbor as the subject because they suspected he had a nefarious plan to groom and likely abuse Liz. After several months navigating an eye-opening, life-changing criminal justice process, Liz was left to heal largely on her own as her freshman year of high school ended. In this episode, Liz shares her poignant perspective of what it means to be a survivor and the reality of healing from adolescent trauma in adulthood. The Broken Cycle Media team is so grateful for her time, energy, & desire to help others by sharing her story.

For additional resources and a list of non-profit organizations that can help, please visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources

Thank you to Rula & Lola Blankets for sponsoring this episode. Don't forget that Rula patients typically pay $15 per session when using insurance. Connect with quality therapists and mental health experts who specialize in you at https://www.rula.com/wcn #rulapod

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Content warning: murder, parricide, matricide, domestic violence, intimate partner violence, elder abuse, child-to-parent violence and abuse, and false reporting.

Rasul T. Freelain is an author and award-winning, retired veteran of the Oak Park Police Department in Illinois. Throughout his 20-year career, he served in roles including Youth Services Supervisor, Patrol Sergeant, and Detective. It was amidst his work with children and families that he recognized the concept of child-to-parent violence, nearly a decade prior to meeting Sheila von Wiese Mack. Over the span of years, Rasul would be a resource for Sheila as she struggled through an increasingly violent abuse cycle at the hands of her daughter, Heather. Prior to Sheila’s 2014 murder, Rasul tried to see Heather face accountability for the abuse in a system that didn’t require it. With his book, When Lambs Become Wolves, he is hoping to bring awareness to the pervasive issue of Child-to-Parent Violence and Abuse and offer Sheila a chance to share her narrative after her murder. This episode is dedicated in loving memory of Sheila von Wiese Mack.

If you believe you are in immediate danger, call your local emergency services. If you suspect you or a loved one may be a victim of domestic violence and/or child-to-parent violence and abuse in the United States, you can contact the National Domestic Violence Hotline by calling 1-800-799-7233, texting "START" to 88788, or visiting thehotline.org to speak with a trained advocate. If you are outside the U.S., please contact a domestic violence support service in your country or region. For a list of additional resources, visit http://www.somethingwaswrong.com/resources for a list of non-profit organizations that can help.

Support Rasul:
- Rasul's website: https://www.whenlambsbecomewolves.com/
- Rasul's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/protecting_lambs
- Rasul's Book: https://www.siupress.com/9780809339969/when-lambs-become-wolves/

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Sources:

Tarigan, Edna. “American Is Freed after 11 Years for Bali ‘Suitcase Murder,’ but a US Case Awaits.” AP News, 25 Feb. 2026, https://apnews.com/article/indonesia-bali-suitcase-murder-schaefer-77946e160861d16c45e5f54b2ee02640

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