In the fall of 2019, Jonathan released his book “Over The Top,” where he disclosed his HIV positive status. The occasion prompted Dr. Watkins-Hayes to write an op-ed on the subject in the NY Times, and inspired the two of them to get together to discuss issues they are both passionate about.

Dr. Celeste Watkins-Hayes is a Professor of Sociology and African American Studies and Faculty Fellow at Northwestern University. Her first book is “The New Welfare Bureaucrats: Entanglements of Race, Class, and Policy Reform” and most recent release is “Remaking a Life: How Women Living with HIV/AIDS Confront Inequality.”

Follow Dr. Celeste Watkins-Hayes on Instagram @celestewatkinshayes, on Twitter @watkinshayes, and on Facebook @celeste.watkinhayes. Learn more about Dr. Watkins-Hayes' work at www.celestewatkinshayes.com

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