New Jersey Governor Mikie Sherrill flipped five Trump counties last year and outran Kamala Harris statewide — with a message aimed squarely at voters in the middle, promising to tackle the cost of living and get government working.

Sherrill is a former Navy pilot and the first female veteran ever elected governor. Sarah McCammon talks to Gov. Sherrill in Trenton about how she actually flipped Trump voters, why she declared a state of emergency for energy prices on day one, and what she would say to Democrats who keep losing.

0:00 — Cold open

1:50 — Deciding to fly

3:57 — Life on the carrier

7:00 — On Pete Hegseth

07:32 — Tailhook and women in combat

11:06 — Getting government to yes

14:19 — The day-one energy emergency

22:37 — Flipping five Trump counties

25:40 — Thinking long-term

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