In this episode of the podcast Claire speaks with Emeritus Prof. Erica Smith on the state of apprenticeships in Australia and how a raft of recent reforms are privileging traditional male trades over apprenticeships/traineeships in feminised industries.

Claire and Erica discuss the recent Strategic Review of the Australian Apprenticeship Incentive System and the government's interim response to the review.

Erica has appeared on the podcast previously (episode 68) with Prof. Andrew Norton.

In this current episode, Erica also discusses some of her recent research (noting that her yet-to-be published paper focuses on the Strategic Review of the Australian Apprenticeship Incentive System):

• Smith, E. (2024). Rescue and recovery: The COVID and post-COVID responses of apprenticeship systems. International Review of Applied Economics. 38:3, 337-356. https://doi.org/10.1080/02692171.2024.2336546
• Smith, E. (2022) Landmarks in the Australian apprenticeship and traineeship system. Online, National Centre for Vocational Education Research (NCVER).
  https://www.voced.edu.au/vet-knowledge-bank-landmark-documents-apprenticeships-and-traineeships-historical-overview
• Smith, E. (2021).  The expansion and contraction of the apprenticeship system in Australia, 1985-2020. Journal of Vocational Education and Training.73:2, 336-365 https://doi.org/10.1080/13636820.2021.1894218

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In this episode Claire gives a summary of the submissions to the Senate Committee's inquiry into the Quality of governance at Australian higher education providers.

During the episode Claire references her interview in episode 123 with NTEU representatives Emily Foley and Tony Williams about their experiences working as casual academics in Australian universities.

The submissions to the Senate Committee's inquiry can all be read and downloaded from the inquiry webpage: https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Committees/Senate/Education_and_Employment/UniversityGovernance/Submissions

The SuperFriend data mentioned in the episode is at: https://www.superfriend.com.au/research/workplace-mental-health-statistics

And Claire forgot to include the submission number for Prof. Gavin Nicholson's submission - it's number 21.

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The ‘What now? What next?’ podcast recognises Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people as Australia’s traditional custodians. In the spirit of reconciliation we are proud to recommend John Briggs Consulting as a leader in Reconciliation and Indigenous engagement. To find out more go to www.johnbriggs.net.au

In this episode Claire speaks with Adam Kilburn, CEO of NEAS Australia.

They discuss:

• NEAS' 2025 conference: https://neas.org.au/conference-25/
• The ASEAN Australia Education Dialogue: https://www.aseanaustraliadialogue.com/aaed-2024 
• Claire's initial analysis of the Coalition's proposed international student caps: https://clairefield.com.au/unpacking-the-coalitions-plans-for-international-education/
• Further analysis by Claire of the proposed caps - in The Koala News: https://thekoalanews.com/getting-the-message-right-on-the-coalitions-caps/

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The ‘What now? What next?’ podcast recognises Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people as Australia’s traditional custodians. In the spirit of reconciliation we are proud to recommend John Briggs Consulting as a leader in Reconciliation and Indigenous engagement. To find out more go to www.johnbriggs.net.au

In this episode of the podcast Claire is joined by Jobs and Skills Australia's Deputy Commissioners, Trevor Gauld and Megan Lilly.

There are references throughout their conversation to a number of JSA reports and data available on the JSA website. If you don't already visit the site regularly then these links may be useful to you:

• Monthly labour market data at the regional level: https://www.jobsandskills.gov.au/data/employment-region-dashboards-and-profiles
• GenAI Capacity Study (and opportunity to engage in current consultations): https://www.jobsandskills.gov.au/studies/generative-artificial-intelligence-capacity-study
• Tertiary Harmonisation: https://www.jobsandskills.gov.au/publications/opportunity-and-productivity-towards-tertiary-harmonisation-roadmap
• Clean Energy Capacity Study: https://www.jobsandskills.gov.au/research/studies/clean-energy-capacity-study
• First Nations People Workforce Analysis: https://www.jobsandskills.gov.au/studies/first-nations-people-workforce-analysis
• Foundation Skills Study: https://www.jobsandskills.gov.au/studies/foundation-skills-study 
• Gender Economic Equality Study: https://www.jobsandskills.gov.au/research/studies/gender-economic-equality-study
• International Students Pathways and Outcomes Study: https://www.jobsandskills.gov.au/international-students-pathways-and-outcomes-study
• VET Workforce Study: https://www.jobsandskills.gov.au/studies/vet-workforce-study

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The ‘What now? What next?’ podcast recognises Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people as Australia’s traditional custodians. In the spirit of reconciliation we are proud to recommend John Briggs Consulting as a leader in Reconciliation and Indigenous engagement. To find out more go to www.johnbriggs.net.au

In this episode of the podcast, Claire is joined by RMIT University's Deputy Vice Chancellor Vocational Education and Vice President, Mish Eastman. Mish explains how the university's College of Vocational Education is partnering with Australian and international businesses and governments to deliver impact for learners.

During the episode Mish references:

• RMIT's new 'Earn and Learn' model: https://www.rmit.edu.au/partner/recruit-students-and-graduates/earn-and-learn
• The new model was written up by the Australian Financial Review: https://www.afr.com/work-and-careers/careers/how-this-engineering-student-will-graduate-debt-free-from-rmit-20250320-p5ll3t
• And RMIT's cyber safety/resilience programs in Indonesia are detailed here: https://www.rmit.edu.au/news/all-news/2025/feb/indonesia-cyber-security

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The ‘What now? What next?’ podcast recognises Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people as Australia’s traditional custodians. In the spirit of reconciliation we are proud to recommend John Briggs Consulting as a leader in Reconciliation and Indigenous engagement. To find out more go to www.johnbriggs.net.au

In this episode Claire is joined by the Vice Chancellor of Western Sydney University, Prof. George Williams.

Prof. Williams' Meanjin article is available at: https://meanjin.com.au/essays/a-university-not-a-corporation/

And you can email [email protected] if you're interested in a one month free trial of Claire's regular analysis and updates on the tertiary sector.

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The ‘What now? What next?’ podcast recognises Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people as Australia’s traditional custodians. In the spirit of reconciliation we are proud to recommend John Briggs Consulting as a leader in Reconciliation and Indigenous engagement. To find out more go to www.johnbriggs.net.au

In this episode of the podcast Claire is joined by researcher and educational designer Dr Selena Chan from Ara Institute of Technology. She explains the incredible work being done in New Zealand to help their VET (and higher education) sectors grapple with GenAI.

If you don't regularly attend the annual AVETRA Conference - then you're missing out on hearing from great researchers like Dr Chan. Details on this year's conference are at: https://avetra.org.au/conference2025

The following resources are discussed during the episode:

• TEQSA's GenAI resources: https://www.teqsa.gov.au/guides-resources/higher-education-good-practice-hub/artificial-intelligence
• Prof. Mike Sharples: https://www.ucl.ac.uk/teaching-learning/case-studies/2023/aug/generative-ai-and-education-futures
• Prof. Ethan Mollick: https://www.oneusefulthing.org
• US research on GenAI helping improve completion rate in a short course: https://au.pcmag.com/ai/100574/harvards-new-computer-science-teacher-is-a-chatbot
• UK gardener using ChatGPT to improve literacy: https://zapier.com/blog/how-a-contractor-uses-ai-to-write-business-emails/
• CEDEFOP research on digital skills: https://www.cedefop.europa.eu/en/news/embracing-human-centred-ai-unlock-eu-competitiveness

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The ‘What now? What next?’ podcast recognises Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people as Australia’s traditional custodians. In the spirit of reconciliation we are proud to recommend John Briggs Consulting as a leader in Reconciliation and Indigenous engagement. To find out more go to www.johnbriggs.net.au

In this episode of the podcast Dr Rocco Guarnaccia joins Claire to discuss his research on commercial, for-profit, providers. He shares his insights into which RTOs are likely to thrive and which will struggle as the sector continues to change.

Rocco's thesis is available at: https://minerva-access.unimelb.edu.au/items/5de8508e-cc37-49f3-ace6-dcd7e8512dd5

The government media release on 'ghost colleges'/lapsed providers: https://ministers.dewr.gov.au/giles/over-150-ghost-colleges-axed

Claire's analysis of the data on 'ghost colleges' (lapsed providers):
https://clairefield.com.au/the-list-of-144-of-the-150-ghost-colleges-including-more-schools-the-nsw-taxi-council-ausgrid-and-more/

ASQA's actions to revoke thousands of VET qualifications:
https://www.asqa.gov.au/information-former-students-cancelled-providers

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The ‘What now? What next?’ podcast recognises Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people as Australia’s traditional custodians. In the spirit of reconciliation we are proud to recommend John Briggs Consulting as a leader in Reconciliation and Indigenous engagement. To find out more go to www.johnbriggs.net.au

In this episode of the podcast Claire is joined by two casual academics, Emily Foley and Tony Williams, who also hold positions at the National Tertiary Education Union. Emily and Tony share their personal experiences and those of others in the sector and what the highly casualised, precarious nature of their employment means.

The articles and reports mentioned in the podcast are listed below - but before you get to them, here's another one that takes a very different approach: Prof. George Williams at Western Sydney University writes in Meanjin that universities are not corporations.

• NTEU: University wage theft on track to exceed $382 million nationally
• FWO: University of Melbourne signs Enforceable Undertaking
• FWO: University of Sydney signs Enforceable Undertaking
• AFR: 'I'm not going to say no to a nice salary' outgoing Melbourne Uni boss
• The Guardian: Revealed: University of Sydney spent millions more on consultants than repaying wages of casual staff
• University Chancellors Council: Submission to the Universities Accord Panel's Interim Report 
• Bluesky: Ben Eltham thread on the Monash University Federal Court wage theft case 
• The Guardian: Australian Catholic University sparks anger over scrapping medieval history and philosophy departments
• Times Higher Education: World University Rankings 2025

Contact Claire:

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The ‘What now? What next?’ podcast recognises Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people as Australia’s traditional custodians. In the spirit of reconciliation we are proud to recommend John Briggs Consulting as a leader in Reconciliation and Indigenous engagement. To find out more go to www.johnbriggs.net.au

In this episode of the podcast Claire is joined by Prof Himashu Rai from the Indian Institute of Management Indore. What IIM Indore is doing to educate the next generation of Indian business leaders and engineers has to be heard to be believed.

If you want to know more about IIM Indore - their website is: https://iimidr.ac.in/ and you can find Prof. Rai on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/in/askhimanshurai/

Contact Claire:

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The ‘What now? What next?’ podcast recognises Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people as Australia’s traditional custodians. In the spirit of reconciliation we are proud to recommend John Briggs Consulting as a leader in Reconciliation and Indigenous engagement. To find out more go to www.johnbriggs.net.au