In this open and thoughtful conversation, David Marshall is joined by Barrie Gellis—long-time student of The Seth Material and one of the few people to have attended Jane Roberts' original ESP classes.

Together, they explore some of the most common misunderstandings surrounding Seth's teachings and reflect on the deeper implications for those genuinely working with the material.

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This is not a teaching or a lecture, but a shared inquiry into the subtle and sometimes misinterpreted layers of one of the most influential channeled works of the 20th century.

Key topics covered include: 0:00 • Misconceptions about Framework 1 and Framework 2

(4:40): Gellis explains that many people overemphasize F2 (non-physical reality) and dismiss F1 (physical reality) as an illusion. He stresses that both are real and serve crucial purposes.

05:18 • The Purpose of Linear Time (5:18): Linear time in physical reality provides a necessary "pause to reflect," which is essential for learning and spiritual evolution, particularly in understanding "violations of natural guilt" (8:08).

08:08 • Violations of Natural Guilt (8:08): This concept refers to violating one's own nature of love, compassion, and goodness, which occurs when harming others. Natural guilt acts as an inner trigger to prevent repeating harmful acts.

10.08 • The Importance of Helping Others (10:08): Gellis emphasizes that while creating one's own reality, it's crucial to include helping and not harming others. He clarifies that dismissing others' suffering by saying "they created their reality" is a misunderstanding of Seth's teachings (11:06).

18:13 • The Concept of "Victims" (18:33): Gellis clarifies that while on a deeper level there are no victims (as individuals subconsciously choose their reality), the term "victim" is valid in physical reality to describe someone who experiences harm they didn't consciously choose or want.

28:03 • Judging Reality vs. Judging People (28:03): The discussion highlights that assessing one's reality and judging situations is a necessary part of growth, but this differs from judging individuals as inherently bad or unworthy.

40:08 • Changing Beliefs (40:08): Gellis shares his personal experience of changing the belief that "people are good" and the importance of recognizing that good is stronger than evil. He suggests exploring one's beliefs, especially those related to personal struggles, through stream of consciousness writing to identify and change them (20:49).

1:10:41. • Love as the Foundation of Reality (1:10:41): Both David Marshall and Barrie Gellis agree that love is a fundamental condition and the basis for all existence, holding reality together. 1.13:55 • Kindness as a Superpower

(1:13:55): Gellis describes kindness as a revolutionary power that is often underrated and goes beyond mere behavior.