What Then Must We Do?

What Then Must We Do?

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What Then Must We Do? episodes

  • What is a "Directed Evolution Experiment"? And Are we Living in One? - with Kevin McKernan

    I speak with Kevin McKernan about the recent Project Veritas video in which a Pfizer employee claims that the company is contemplating directed evolution experiments with the SARS-Cov-2 virus.

    Kevin walks us through the reasoning behind his view that we are already witnessing a massive directed-evolution experiment in the real world, as a result of the medical interventions introduced in response to Covid-19.

    We also talk about the some of the fundamental problems that lie at the heart of the dysfunction in medicine and medical research that we've been living through – and some practical ideas for fixing it.

    Kevin is CSO and founder of Medicinal Genomics. His Substack articles on directed evolution are here, here, and here.

    The work on directed evolution by Tawfik and Griffiths that he mentions can be found here.

    The John Goodman books Kevin mentions are here and here.

    Kevin and I spoke about the responses to Covid-19 and problems with PCR testing here, here, and here. And about problems – and some solutions – with peer review here and here.

    You can follow Kevin on Substack and  on Twitter.

    ...and if you want to support Project Veritas, you can do so here.






    57 min
  • "Markets and Religion Reconciled"

    The story that free markets are soulless and materialistic is one of the most damaging narratives in our culture. In this episode, we take on that narrative, both in theory, and in practice.

    I am very fortunate to have been joined by Joyce Brand for this episode. Joyce is co-author of the book "Economics and the Spiritual Life of Free Men", based on the work of Spencer Heath. She is also one of the founding residents of Ciudad Morazan, a private city in Honduras.

    We talk about Spencer Heath's philosophy, and his belief that landowners are the obvious entity to provide public services. We talk about the manor system, which predated feudalism and was an embodiment of this view. And we talk about Cuidad Morazan, which Brand hopes will overcome current political obstacles and flourish as a modern-day incarnation of Heath's vision.

    "Economics and the Spiritual Life of Free Men" can be found here.

    Learn more about Ciudad Morazan here.

    The Free Cities Foundation can be found here.

    Learn more about the Liberty in our Lifetime Conference here.

    Spencer Heath's book "Citadel, Market and Altar" is here.

    And the book "Free Private Cities" is here.

    1 hr 12 min
  • When the Criminal Gangs Fight Amongst Themselves, with Tom Luongo

    We all know it's "one big club, and we're not in it..." but we also know it's not quite that simple. What happens when things start to go not so well for the "club", and the members start fighting with each other?

    Tom Luongo explains - in plain language, for those who might not be following these folks as closely as he is - his view on the infighting that's happening right now. We talk about the nature of empire, who really controls Congress... and why the Fed might be one of the good guys at this moment in history.

    ...Sort of.

    I'm really happy with this episode, because I think it's one of the clearest explanations of where Tom is coming from on all this. He goes into much more depth and detail elsewhere (see his podcast), but if you're not at all familiar with his position, I think our conversation here is a great place to start.

    I was a guest on Tom's podcast, "Gold, Goats 'N Guns" recently. That episode is here.

    You can find Tom's work here, and he is also on Twitter.




    1 hr 22 min
  • How the West Brought War to Ukraine

    I talk with Benjamin Abelow, author of "How the West Brought War to Ukraine."

    Ben explains what's wrong with the narrative you'll hear on TV about this conflict, and gives a brief rundown of the decades-long history that led up to it. We then talk about the psychological and financial incentives that drive the war machine, and he gives his thoughts on the Nord Stream pipeline attacks, and what we might do to encourage  peace in the world.

    Abelow's book is here, and David Gordon's review of it is here.

    His interview with Tom Woods is here.

    His interview with Useful Idiots is here.

    The books he mentions are:

    "War with Russia?" By Stephen Cohen

    "The War State" By Michael Swanson

    "Nonviolent Communication" By Marshall Rosenberg


    1 hr 16 min
  • The Get Moving Challenge - How to Unplug and Start Taking Action, with Susan May

    There is a sense of urgency to the medical freedom movement these days. With everything that has happened over the past two and a half years, it often feels like our work is cut out for us - and we will never get through it all.

    That feeling of overwhelm can be paralyzing.

    Fortunately, there are people like Susan May to help us!

    Susan is an incredibly grounded and productive person who, through her "Gather and Get Moving" Facebook group, and her "RiseUp" community,  has been helping medical-freedom activists to unplug, take care of themselves, find some peace, and get more done! 

    I spoke with Susan about what she does, and about her upcoming "Get Moving Challenge" - a free 5-day challenge to help medical-freedom advocates Get Moving - energetically and physically. The Challenge starts on Monday, September 26th!

    43 min
  • Deep Work for Anarchists - with Starr O'Hara

    I talk with writer Starr O'Hara about her journey to anarchism, her latest book "How to Survive Dystopia (With Your Humanity Intact)", and the work we can each to do to "conquer ourselves" so that we can move forward.

    We also talked about her upcoming re-launch of a group she has started to support like-minded freedom folk actually get stuff done. The group is called "Extremists Being Awesome" - and it sounds like that's exactly what it is! They meet for two hours, five days a week, and she says the existing members have accomplished some incredible things since they started.

    Starr will be opening the group up to new members in a few weeks - if you want to learn more about it, and be notified when the group opens up again, follow her Substack for updates.

    Starr's book is here.

    Her Substack is here. 

    And she is also on Twitter.


    P.S. Apologies for the audio skipping you might hear in this episode. We had an issue with the connection freezing up briefly several times. It didn't last long enough to disrupt the flow of the conversation, but I apologize for any annoyance caused.






    44 min
  • My Mutual-Aid Vision for the Future, and Fighting Back Against Medical Tyranny - with Susan May

    I was interviewed by Susan May, the founder of “RiseUP with Susan May” and the RiseUP community, and creator of the Facebook group “Gather and Get Moving with Susan May”, a "...safe place for medical freedom advocates to connect and be inspired to action."

    Susan and I talk a little about my own history, and about my experience fighting medical tyranny while in the hospital with our daughter. We also talk about my vision for a Mutual-Aid society and community dedicated to caring for those with special needs.

    My Freogan Fellowship website is here.

    58 min
  • Can Liberty Dollar Save the World?

    I speak with Wayne and Kathy Hicks of Liberty Dollar Financial Association, about Liberty Dollar's history, and its rebirth as a Private Membership Association.

    If you're looking for solutions to state-controlled money and financial systems, and if you're not entirely sure that Bitcoin (or any cryptocurrency) is the answer, then you need to listen to this episode. Liberty Dollar's new incarnation is truly revolutionary - and it doesn't stop at money and finance.

    We talk about food security, the Liberty Dollar social network platform, and how the "outside-the-box" nature of LDFA can help to reclaim the economy from the world of crony corporatism.

    You can find Liberty Dollar Financial Association here. (This is my affiliate link, so if you sign up using this link, I will get a little something.)

    And LibertyNet, the social-network platform, is here.



    49 min
  • Not Crypto, Not Barter - Could XClave Bux Be the Alternative Currency We Need?

    I spoke with Markus Allen, founder of XClave, a few months back, about his radical concept for creating independent private towns, including plans for an independent currency. At the time, I fully intended to post the episode in a timely manner.

    Then our family decided to move out of California, and the next few months were a frantic blur.

    Now, nearly 5 months later, this particular episode is more relevant than ever. With governments seizing the bank accounts of those who oppose their actions, and inflation starting to get very very real, we are in need of practical solutions to the problem of state inolvement in money and in financial systems. Could XClave Bux be the answer?

    Listen to this episode and see what you think.

    Check out XClave here.

    ...and XClave Bux here.


    1 hr 29 min
  • Can Poetry Save the World? I ask Joyce Beckett, professor of literature for Freogan Fellowship

    Joyce Beckett is an Oxford-educated professor of literature who will be teaching a class in English and Irish literature for Freogan Fellowship Learing - the education arm of the private membership association that I recently started.

    Here, Joyce speaks about the experience of poetry as a bulwark against the cultural and spiritual "colonization" that is the effect of mass media and culture.

    Most of Freogan Fellowship Learning's classes are designed for teens - however this one is also open to adults. As Joyce says:

    "Anyone, at any stage of their lives, with an interest in the profound effect
    of words on the senses will be most welcome."

    Joyce will also be offering a free sample class on Tuesday, January 4th at 5:00pm Pacific Time. To sign up for that class, or for more information about her full-semester class, visit Freogan Fellowship Learning.




    45 min

About What Then Must We Do?

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Is there any hope at all of building and maintaining a free society? If so, how? If you are among "the remnant", this might be the show for you. See blog & discussion at: