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What Would Actually Make America Healthy Again: the Connections Between Healthism and Fascism with Ashantis Jones


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Ashantis Jones is back this week and we're talking all about the relationship between healthism and the rise of fascism. I know, fun right? But as we often discover, it's all different flavors of the same shit sandwich. And if we really wanna be healthy, we need to talk about the hard stuff too! Turns out it's not all just organic hemp seeds and kale chips.

Ashantis Jones (she/they) is a weight-inclusive Licensed Therapist, Mental Health Coach, NASM Certified Personal Trainer, Group Fitness Instructor, and Educator. She supports individuals seeking mental health + fitness support and businesses seeking to create more efficient and equitable practices. Specialties include Body Image/Eating Disorder Recovery, Executive Functioning, and Navigating Systems of Oppression.The Wellness Financial Fund provides full or partial financial assistance for individuals seeking personal training and/or wellness consultations (coffee chats) from Ashantis. The fund prioritizes financial support for Black women, but anyone is eligible to request sponsorship.

On this episode we talk about:

  • The problem with the new potential surgeon general.
  • Why many wellness influencers say things that seem to make sense on a surface level but don't actually work in practice or have evidence to back them up.
  • How many of the ways we think about health can be rooted in bad things like eugenics, and how it's a slippery slope.
  • Why we need to embrace nuance and let go of black and white thinking when it comes to wellness and public health policy.
  • Why it's important to dig a little deeper and look at the root cause of our health problems as Americans (which is more systemic than we realize.
  • Why we think Americans rely so heavily on processed foods and what our solutions would look like.
  • Why we need to look at the wellness media we're consuming with a more critical eye.
  • So many other good things!


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