In this heartfelt and often hilarious episode, Tom Burns turns the mic around to interview his longtime friend — and our usual host — Gary Underwood. What unfolds is a candid journey through Gary’s story: growing up in Akron, finding faith after a heartbreak (and a broken kneecap), learning ministry from mentors like Tom Bernardo and Newt Larson, and discovering that friendship and authenticity can change everything.

Gary opens up about the highs and lows of pastoral life — from leading a growing church in Delaware, Ohio, to walking through lawsuits, depression, and the redefining of “success.” Along the way, he shares how mentors, good friends, and even Taco Bell lunches shaped his understanding of what it really means to love pastors and their families.

The episode builds toward the birth of LovePastors — Gary’s nonprofit focused on giving life to the life-givers. He and Tom talk about why so many pastors struggle with loneliness, why friendship is ministry, and how LovePastors exists to pursue pastors simply to encourage them, no strings attached.

Key Moments:

• Gary’s early influences: Jack and Rita Underwood, Tom Bernardo, and a lot of 80s music.

• The moment basketball, girls, and rap music all got taken away — and God broke through.

• From seminary burritos to meeting Jennie.

• The emotional toll and transformation of 11 years as a lead pastor.

• What LovePastors is really about — friendship over formulas, presence over performance.

Listen If You:

• Are a pastor or church leader who feels unseen.

• Want to know what drives the LovePastors mission.

• Enjoy real, laughter-filled stories about faith, calling, and redemption.

Quote:

“Pastors don’t need another report or retreat. They need a friend who shows up, listens, and reminds them they’re loved — no strings attached.” — Gary Underwood