If you listen to podcasts, you’re probably familiar with Andy Mills' work. He was a co-creator of The Daily, the award-winning podcast for the New York Times that attracts millions of listeners each week. He’s also created, produced, and edited Rabbit Hole, Caliphate, and The Witch Trials of J.K. Rowling, among others. Andy is a deeply thoughtful, intentionally curious human, and that is readily apparent in his newest show, Reflector, co-created with Matthew Boll. 

We get into a lot in this conversation, like why has storytelling become increasingly political over the last decade? What happens when politics comes to fill a space in society that religion once did? And how do we get to the truth of an event that involves multiple valid perspectives? If there’s a though line here, it’s a call to reject what Andy calls, “The arrogance of certainty.”

Reflector (Substack) // Reflector (Spotify)

Rabbit Hole

The Witch Trials of J.K. Rowling

andymills.work

Andy Mills: Quitting The New York Times and making 'The Witch Trials of J.K. Rowling' - ReasonTV

Andy Mills on How Curiosity Can Save Journalism -- and Us - Smoke 'Em If You Got 'Em Podcast

Episode 201: Mills Spills (with Andy Mills) - Blocked & Reported

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Rob Sarver is a former Navy SEAL. Assigned to SEAL Team 3, he completed seven deployments during his service. Rob's awards and decorations include the Bronze Star Medal with a combat "V" device and oak leaf cluster and the Combat Action Ribbon with a gold star device. Rob is the Co-Founder of Servius Group and serves as the Co-CEO and Co-Founder of The Heroes Journey. 

Alex Gendzier is a partner at a top law firm, where he is involved in veteran’s affairs. At his prior firm, he acted as a senior advisor to the VALOR Group, which provides pro bono legal services to veterans and their families, and where he lead his law firms’ efforts to assist Afghan allies and friends.

Warrior to Civilian: The Field Manual for the Hero’s Journey, by Rob Sarver & Alex Gendzier

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Danny Miranda is the host of The Danny Miranda Podcast and cofounder of Alignment Academy.

David Perell Interviews Me | The Danny Miranda Podcast 305 - YouTube

Living In Alignment With Nick Sweeney (Danny's return to the podcast) - YouTube

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This is the 3rd Annual Very Special Boxing Day Episode of Where We Go Next, with longtime friend of the show Jay Shapiro. 

We discuss:

• What Jay's been up to in Madrid over the last year
• Jay's new book
• The upcoming addition to the Callahan family
• Jay & Michael's holiday traditions
• What we like in a good horror film
• Jay's Horror Film Recommendation: Funny Games (1997)
• Michael's Horror Film Recommendation: The Thing (1982)
• Our shared resolution for 2025
• ...and more!

Chasing History and When My World Changed - Dilemma Podcast (YouTube)

Palestine and the Growing Defiance of the Global South With Vijay Prashad - Dilemma Podcast (YouTube)

whatjaythinks.com

"Despair less. Cherish more."

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To get the most out of The 3rd Annual Very Special Boxing Day Episode, watch The Thing (1982) and Funny Games (1997) by December 26th.

Thanks for sticking around.

Very Special Boxing Day Episodes:

• The 2nd Annual Very Special Boxing Day Episode, with Jay Shapiro
• A Very Special Boxing Day Episode, with Jay Shapiro

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Where We Go Next will return on December 3rd. There are many great conversations to come, and (though I'm biased) I think you're gonna love 'em.

Until then, please check out the work of two good friends of mine:

Angel Eduardo:
angeleduardo.com
Star-Manning
7: Challenging the Ethics of ”Cancel Culture,” with Angel Eduardo - Where We Go Next

Xavier Bonilla:
Converging Dialogues
A Very Special Crossover Episode with the Converging Dialogues Podcast - Where We Go Next

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Andy Lapsa is the co-founder of Stoke Space, a reusable rocket company started in 2019 with the knowledge that fully and rapidly reusable rockets represent the inevitable and necessary future of the space industry. Prior to founding Stoke, Andy was one of the original three members of Blue Origin’s BE-4 team, where he held architecture, design, analysis, and development test leadership roles.

Stoke Space

Stoke Space Aims to Build Rapidly Reusable Rocket With a Completely Novel Design - Ars Technica

First-Of-Its-Kind Rocket Engine Nears First Flight Test - Freethink

How Stoke Space's Unique Rocket Works // Exclusive Tour & Interview - Everyday Astronaut (YouTube)

Full Reusability By Stoke Space - Everyday Astronaut

The Pollution Caused by Rocket Launches - BBC

Air Pollution From Reentering Megaconstellation Satellites Could Cause Ozone Hole 2.0- Space.com

Radiative Forcing - MIT Climate Portal

71: Rescuing Animals From the Brink of Extinction, with Forrest Galante - Where We Go Next

The Risky Rush for Mega Constellations - Scientific American

Kessler Syndrome- Wikipedia

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Harper Carroll is an AI and Machine Learning software engineer and educator known for making complex AI concepts accessible to a wide audience. She has multiple degrees from Stanford University in Computer Science specializing in AI, and industry experience at Meta, working on augmented reality and civic integrity projects. Her online educational content has gained her a following of over 300,000 subscribers on Instagram and YouTube.

Harper's 10 Days of AI Basics

AI Avatar Demonstration

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Susan Mulcahy and Frank DiGiacomo are former reporters for The New York Post and co-authors of Paper of Wreckage: The Rogues, Renegades, Wiseguys, Wankers, and Relentless Reporters Who Redefined American Media. Susan worked on Page Six from 1978 to 1985, including three years as editor. She has also written for The New Yorker and The New York Times. Frank worked as a Page Six freelancer in the late 1980s and was its editor from 1991 to 1993. He is currently an executive editor at Billboard.

The Gossip Behind the Gossip, by Frank DiGiacomo for Vanity Fair

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A Tabloid Alum Blasts News to the New York Post Nation, by Susan Mulcahy for The New Yorker

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Bertrand Cooper is a writer and education professional based in Los Angeles. Drawing on twenty six years of deprivation and a Master's in Education Theory and Policy, his writing explores the depictions of poverty in society.

Who Actually Gets to Create Black Pop Culture?, by Bertrand Cooper

I Escaped Poverty, But Hunger Still Haunts Me, by Bertrand Cooper

The Failure of Affirmative Action, by Bertrand Cooper

Is it Possible for Black Creatives to Exploit the Poor? w/ Damon Young & Bertrand Cooper - Bad Faith podcast

Racecraft: The Soul of Inequality in American Life, by Karen and Barbara Fields

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The Devastating Effects of Concentrated Poverty, by Ta-Nehisi Coates

Architecture of Segregation, by Paul Jargowsky

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Black Boy Fly, by Kendrick Lamar (YouTube)

Identity Theft, by Zaid Jilani

Black Jeopardy with Tom Hanks - SNL (YouTube)

Roger Ebert Speaks Out at a Better Luck Tomorrow Screening - YouTube

1,000 True Fans, by Kevin Kelly

Inequality Is High Within the Black Community, by Bertrand Cooper

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