How much do you pay for your AI tools? Your ChatGPT or Claude or Higgsfield or Elevenlabs or Gemini or Midjourney or Runway? Maybe you're just using the free tier, or perhaps you're a professional creative that now has workflows built around a few of them, giving you superpowers for just a couple hundred bucks a month. Well, those days of affordable AI might be numbered. Because you pay far less for those tools than it costs the company to provide you with that service. The compute costs to make just five seconds of that movie you're working on is more than your monthly subscription.

Or is it?

As my guest, Mady Mills, Sr. AI Reporter at Axios, tells me, we literally have no idea. And the big discussion here is about whether AI companies will continue to build out data centers and scale infinitely, which might replace and/or kill us all, or whether the investors will decide they want a return on their money one day and the cost of all these tools skyrockets overnight (see: streaming, Uber, Doordash, etc.) So which outcome are you rooting for? Or is there something in between?

GUEST: Madison Mills – Sr. AI Reporter, Axios

🔗 Connect with Madison:

IG: @madymills TikTok: @madymills X: @MadisonMills22 Axios: https://www.axios.com/local/seattle/authors/mmills

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WHERE'S ALL THIS GOING? is a show about the confluence of creativity, technology, and business hosted by Kyle Kramer.

Primary objective: predict the future.

Secondary objective: create the future.

Forbes's Travis Collins gives the honest version — publisher economics, creator networks as institutional scale, the journalist-vs-creator skill gap, Forbes's cautious AI posture, and the crisis over what "the fourth estate" even means now.

Travis Collins is VP, Strategic Partnerships, Video & Creator Content at Forbes Media.

🔗 Connect with Travis: @travisbklyn on IG (that's literally his only social media exposure)

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Secondary objective: create the future.

Why do humans building AI think it's a good idea to replace humans with AGI?

Freelance journalist Garrison Lovely tackles this exact conundrum in his forthcoming book, Obsolete. In it, he details the very public and well-documented goal of AI companies to create AGI that performs human tasks better than humans, thus making us replaceable. In this episode, Garrison shares his insights from reporting the book, his foray into screenwriting at the worst time possible, and provides some hope on what we can do to stop AGI from consuming everything we hold dear.

GUEST: Garrison Lovely — Author, Obsolete.

🔗 Connect with Garrison:

Buy the book "Obsolete": http://bit.ly/buy-obsolete

X: https://x.com/GarrisonLovely

Substack: http://obsolete.pub/

Future Home of "Organize Against the Machine": https://www.youtube.com/@organizeagainstthemachine

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Is the biggest threat to creative industries an Army of Teenagers Willing to Work for Free? And what do we do about it?

Yes, you read that right. Nilay believes the biggest threat to the advertising and entertainment industries writ large is the aforementioned Teenager Army. What that really means, he says, is that Creators are the new ad agencies, and creative jobs at ad agencies are going away. Why employ professionals when you can throw a few bucks at the kids to market for you? So what are creatives to do? By that, I mean people who want to create things professionally and be paid for it – filmmakers, artists, writers, etc. Well, we have to build our own audience utilizing any and every tool at our disposal, and then leverage that audience as proof we should be paid for the work by Big Creative because it gives them access to our audience. This is not a new idea, necessarily. But it's happening faster and on a larger scale than ever before. So I suggest you listen to what Nilay has to say. He's very smart.

GUEST: Nilay Patel — Editor-in-Chief at The Verge, Host of Decoder

🔗 Connect with Nilay:

IG - @reckless1280 X - @reckless

Web - www.theverge.com

YouTube - https://www.youtube.com/@decoderpod

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Secondary objective: create the future

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