In this podcast, we turn the microphone. My friend and business partner Chloé Grabli interviews me. I share my convictions, my experience as a change agent, in particular my journey in collective intelligence, Holacracy, Adaptive Governance, as well as the story of Fabric, the one of the book I just published, and some of the lessons I learned in 20 years working with dozens of organisations... I also share the deeper reasons that drive me in this life and career path. I found this moment very authentic and intimate. I even said some secrets about me I had never told so far..! I hope it will inspire the listeners in their own journey.