In this episode of Thinking Out Loud, Nathan and Cameron engage in a deep theological discussion on current events through the lens of Ross Douthat’s provocative new book Believe: Why Everyone Should Be Religious, exploring whether Christianity should be embraced for its civilizational benefits or because it is true. Drawing on debates with New Atheism, secular sociology, and figures like Christopher Hitchens, Phil Zuckerman, Jordan Peterson, and Ayaan Hirsi Ali, Nathan and Cameron wrestle with questions of truth, human brokenness, consciousness, demons, and the limits of scientific explanation, all while grounding the conversation firmly in historic Christian theology. This episode is designed for Christians seeking thoughtful, intellectually serious engagement with culture, politics, and belief, offering a robust defense of Christianity that moves beyond pragmatism toward truth, discipleship, and Christian hope in a rapidly changing world.

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