We all know New Jersey has the best bagels. But why is our bagel culture so prodigious? And what exactly makes those doughy rounds so good? Host Jeremy Schneider is joined by Bagels by Jarrett owner Jarrett Seltzer to discuss how he went from rock band bassist to bagel-maker (2:17), the keys to great (albeit unconventional) bagel-making (8:51), why New Jersey bagels are indeed better than New York bagels (25:18) and why it’s a crime to toast (38:38) or scoop (44:46) your bagels. Then Jarrett runs through the Garden State Gauntlet, bagel edition (47:47)!

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