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In this gripping episode of Wildcide, we sit down with Marie McKenzie, a seasoned Sexual Assault Nurse Examiner (SANE), to uncover the critical role forensic nurses play in the justice system. Marie shares firsthand experiences from the field, explaining how she conducts forensic exams, supports survivors, and helps build cases against perpetrators. We discuss the emotional toll of the job, the misconceptions about sexual assault investigations, and the changes needed to improve survivor advocacy. This is an eye-opening conversation you don’t want to miss.

About our Honored Guest:

Once silenced by the aftermath of sexual assault, Marie McKenzie has devoted her life to breaking the silence surrounding the most underreported crime. She champions survivors and equips healthcare providers with tools to deliver compassionate, trauma-informed care. To further this cause, she founded the International Sexual Assault Coaching institute, a platform for advocacy, education, and transformation in the fight against sexual violence.

With over two and a half decades of experience as a registered nurse, including her role as a sexual assault nurse examiner in the clinical and community settings, Marie blends her professional expertise with the tools and techniques that facilitated her own healing journey.

Renowned for her award-winning and bestselling memoir, Things That Keep Me Up At Night, Marie chronicles her personal odyssey from sexual assault at the age of eleven to her triumphant transformation. Her book serves as a beacon of hope, encouraging others to find their voices, share their stories, seek support, and embrace a life imbued with purpose.

Marie doesn’t shy away from her calling, proudly declaring, “My mission is to remove sexual assault from being the most underreported crime.”

When Marie is not educating healthcare providers to care for survivors, she collaborates with various organizations dedicated to helping those affected by diverse traumas. She enjoys the vibrant life of Orlando, Florida, alongside her husband, George.

To purchase Marie’s Memoir, CLICK HERE.

Content Warning: This episode discusses sexual violence and drug-facilitated assault. Listener discretion is advised.

Zhenhao Zou appeared to be just another PhD student at University College London—until investigators exposed him as one of the most prolific sexual predators in British history. But beneath the surface, he was hiding a horrifying secret. Between 2019 and 2023, Zou preyed on women—primarily Chinese and East Asian—through social media and dating apps, luring them in under false pretenses. Behind the glow of his academic achievements and even post-plastic surgery, he was a deeply disturbed predator.

Zou’s obsession with ‘stop-action’ pornography—where unconscious women are assaulted—wasn’t just a sick fantasy. He made it a reality. When two women bravely came forward in late 2023, investigators uncovered a nightmare hidden in his luxury flat—date rape drugs, hidden cameras, and over 1,200 videos. This sickening discovery suggests that Zou may have had more than 50 victims, many of whom still don’t know what happened to them in his high-rise London flat.

So how did he get away with it for so long? And what finally led to his downfall? We’re breaking it all down in this episode—trust us, you won’t want to miss this one.

**Make sure to tune in on Friday for our interview with Marie McKenzie, a S.A.N.E (Sexual Assault Nurse Examiner) who walks us through the post-sexual assault process to help survivors find healing and empowerment.

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Art for the podcast was created by Kelly Steen. Editing/Production for the podcast by Bltzwolff ([email protected]).

​WILDCIDE Podcast and any content posted is presented solely for general informational, educational, and entertainment purposes. The use of information on this podcast or materials linked from this podcast or website is at the user’s own risk. It is not intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical or mental health condition they may have and should seek the assistance of their healthcare professionals for any such conditions. 

References:

BBC News. (2025, March 5). Zhenhao Zou: PhD student jailed for filming attacks on women. BBC News. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8rkj8k6my8o

Cox, C. (2025, March 6). A timeline of the crimes, investigation, and trial of UCL student rapist Zhenhao Zou. The Tab. https://thetab.com/2025/03/06/a-timeline-of-the-crimes-investigation-and-trial-of-ucl-student-rapist-zhenhao-zou

Firstpost. (2024, March 6). Explained: Who is Chinese PhD student Zhenhao Zou and why is he being called Britain’s worst rapist? Firstpost. https://www.firstpost.com/explainers/chinese-phd-student-zhenhao-zou-britain-worst-rapist-drugging-raping-women-13869169.html

Associated Press. (2025, March 10). Chinese student in UK found guilty of raping woman after spiking her drink. AP News. https://apnews.com/article/china-student-britain-rape-drugs-trial-guilty-7a24b237a77f6283c7ce99ac2b1f9aa6

Guardian News & Media. (2025, March 5). Zhenhao Zou: PhD student who filmed attacks on women jailed for 6 years. The Guardian. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/mar/05/zhenhao-zou-phd-student-who-filmed-attacks-on-women

Hughes, L. (2025, March 5). Chinese student in rape case involving 60 women found guilty. The Telegraph. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/05/chinese-student-rape-case-60-women/

The Guardian. (2025, March 6). Serial rape case highlights barriers to justice for East Asian women in UK. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/mar/06/serial-rape-case-zou-barriers-to-justice-east-asian-women-uk

Content Warning:  This episode discusses murder, suicide, and other sensitive or controversial topics.

Ooof. This one is a full-blown inferno, and it is STILL DEVELOPING.

Meet the Zizians—who refer to themselves as—wait for it—the Vegan Siths. *Cue "The Imperial March"* This case unravels the shocking layers of a radical faction of rationalists who, despite preaching altruism, have left a trail of brutality in their wake. With at least four brutal murders and two additional deaths linked to the group, their ideology has mutated from intellectual posturing into a twisted labyrinth of suicide, faked deaths, crime, deception, and murder.

This culty group, led by the enigmatic Jack Amadeus “Ziz” LaSota, the Zizians believe they are the masterminds of a better world—until their so-called rationalism turned into something totally irrational, super warped, and very, very dangerous. Murders, fugitives, and a tangled mess of legal chaos later, the question remains: Were these people already broken before they found rationalism, or did rationalism break them? And with some members still at large, is the story really over?

Buckle up—because this isn’t just another cult story. This is a real-time unraveling of a belief system gone deadly.

Thanks for listening! If you want to support us, you can follow/subscribe to WILDCIDE on your favorite podcast listening app. While you’re there, please rate and leave us a review – we would really appreciate it! You can also visit our website at www.wildcidepodcast.com (merch now available!) Make sure to get updates by following us on Instagram (@wildcidepodcast) and Facebook (Wildcide Podcast). 

Don’t forget Wildcide Wednesdays- new episodes drop every Wednesday at 6am EST. Interviews will drop every other Friday at 6am EST.

Art for the podcast was created by Kelly Steen. Editing/Production for the podcast by Bltzwolff ([email protected]).

​WILDCIDE Podcast and any content posted is presented solely for general informational, educational, and entertainment purposes. The use of information on this podcast or materials linked from this podcast or website is at the user’s own risk. It is not intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical or mental health condition they may have and should seek the assistance of their healthcare professionals for any such conditions. 

More Rationalist Insights: LessWrong

References:

Associated Press. (2025, February 18). A timeline of cultlike 'Zizian' group tied to killing of a Border Patrol agent in Vermont. PBS NewsHour. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/a-timeline-of-cultlike-zizian-group-tied-to-killing-of-a-border-patrol-agent-in-vermont

Ratliff, E. (2025, February 21). The delirious, violent, impossible true story of the Zizians. WIRED. https://www.wired.com/story/delirious-violent-impossible-true-story-zizians/

LessWrong. (n.d.). J. LaSota (Ziz). https://www.lesswrong.com/w/j-lasota-ziz

Romano, A. (2025, February 25). The post-rationalist murder spree’s so-called “cult” leader has finally been arrested. What? Vox. https://www.vox.com/culture/400722/zizians-ziz-murders-cult-what-happened

Cavallier, A. (2025, February 23). Zizians crime rampage: How six deaths in three states came to be linked to a cult-like group. The Independent. https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/zizian-cult-murders-jack-lasota-b2701886.html

USA Today. (2025, February 19). Inside the Zizian movement: A cult-like group’s rise and unraveling. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/02/19/zizian-cult-like-group-details/79108035007/

Chamings, A., & Dowd, K. (2025, February 27). 'Show her the body': Alleged kill orders, cult behavior inside the Bay Area Zizians. SFGate. https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/alleged-kill-orders-cult-zizians-bay-area-20184964.php

Associated Press. (2025, February 17). Cult leader arrest | Cultlike 'Zizian' group leader linked to multiple killings in the US arrested, police say. ABC11 Raleigh-Durham. Police say they've arrested apparent Zizian group leader | AP News

Start Insight. (n.d.). Zizians: The rise of the vegan cult – From philosophy to violence. https://www.startinsight.eu/en/zizians-the-rise-of-the-vegan-cult-from-philosophy-to-violence/

Some call it luck, some call it fate—but one thing’s for sure, Death took a serious L on this one. In this Shortcide, we’re bringing you two cases of two different people who repeatedly dodged death like it was their full-time job. Chelsea covers the outrageous tale of a man named Frane Selak, who seemed to have a VIP pass to disaster—but somehow always walked away.  And Bailey tells the unbelievable story of Violet Jessop, a woman who kept finding herself in the middle of history’s most infamous maritime catastrophes… and lived to tell the tale.

From fiery crashes to sinking ships, these stories will have you questioning whether some people are just built different. Just between these two, the Grim Reaper could count on both hands how many times he missed his mark.

Thanks for listening! If you want to support us, you can follow/subscribe to WILDCIDE on your favorite podcast listening app. While you’re there, please rate and leave us a review – we would really appreciate it! You can also visit our website at www.wildcidepodcast.com (merch now available!) Make sure to get updates by following us on Instagram (@wildcidepodcast) and Facebook (Wildcide Podcast). 

Don’t forget Wildcide Wednesdays- new episodes drop every Wednesday at 6am EST. Interviews will drop every other Friday at 6am EST.

Art for the podcast was created by Kelly Steen. Editing/Production for the podcast by Bltzwolff ([email protected]).

​WILDCIDE Podcast and any content posted is presented solely for general informational, educational, and entertainment purposes. The use of information on this podcast or materials linked from this podcast or website is at the user’s own risk. It is not intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical or mental health condition they may have and should seek the assistance of their healthcare professionals for any such conditions. 

References:

Chapman, C. (2003, June 22). Disaster as a way of life. The Telegraph. Retrieved from https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/croatia/1433773/Disaster-as-a-way-of-life.html

Delauney, G. (2014, May 14). #BBCtrending: Is the 'world's luckiest man' being exploited? BBC News. Retrieved from https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-trending-27414609

Encyclopedia Titanica. (n.d.). Violet Constance Jessop. Retrieved February 12, 2025, from https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/titanic-survivor/violet-constance-jessop.html

Kuroski, J. (2018, June 4). The seven unbelievable survival stories of Frane Selak. All That's Interesting. Retrieved from https://allthatsinteresting.com/frane-selak

Ripley’s Believe It or Not! (n.d.). The world's unluckiest man? Ripley’s Believe It or Not! Retrieved February 11, 2025, from https://www.ripleys.com/stories/unluckiest-man

Titanic Wiki. (n.d.). Violet Constance Jessop. Titanic Fandom. Retrieved February 12, 2025, from https://titanic.fandom.com/wiki/Violet_Constance_Jessop

CONTENT WARNING: This episode contains content around child sexual abuse material and child exploitation. Listener discretion is advised.

After authorities dismantled Welcome to Video, the largest known child exploitation marketplace on the dark web, the real battle began—tracking down its users. What followed was a sprawling global manhunt as law enforcement agencies across multiple countries worked to identify and arrest the perpetrators hiding behind encrypted screens.

This episode uncovers the shocking scale of the network, the high-profile arrests that followed, and the devastating impact on both victims and investigators. We examine how international cooperation brought key players to justice, the legal and ethical challenges of prosecuting dark web crimes, and the unsettling reality that remnants of these networks continue to resurface.

Join us as we unravel the aftermath of one of the darkest criminal enterprises ever exposed—and the ongoing fight to hold every accomplice accountable.

Thanks for listening! If you want to support us, you can follow/subscribe to WILDCIDE on your favorite podcast listening app. While you’re there, please rate and leave us a review – we would really appreciate it! You can also visit our website at www.wildcidepodcast.com (merch now available!) Make sure to get updates by following us on Instagram (@wildcidepodcast) and Facebook (Wildcide Podcast). 

Don’t forget Wildcide Wednesdays- new episodes drop every Wednesday at 6am EST. Interviews will drop every other Friday at 6am EST.

Art for the podcast was created by Kelly Steen. Editing/Production for the podcast by Bltzwolff ([email protected]).

​WILDCIDE Podcast and any content posted is presented solely for general informational, educational, and entertainment purposes. The use of information on this podcast or materials linked from this podcast or website is at the user’s own risk. It is not intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical or mental health condition they may have and should seek the assistance of their healthcare professionals for any such conditions. 

References:

Greenberg, A. (2019, October 16). Inside the Bitcoin bust that took down the web’s biggest child abuse site. WIRED. Retrieved from https://wired.com

Janczewski, C. M., Faruqui, Z. M., Reece, K. A., & W2V Team. (n.d.). Samuel J. Heyman Service to America Medals. Retrieved from https://servicetoamericamedals.org

United States Department of Justice, District of Columbia. (2022, September 7). New York man sentenced to 17 and a half years in prison for sexual exploitation of children and distribution of child pornography. Retrieved from https://justice.gov

United States Department of Justice, Office of Public Affairs. (2019, October 16). South Korean national and hundreds of others charged worldwide in the takedown of the largest darknet child pornography website, which was funded by Bitcoin. Retrieved from https://justice.gov

Valdosta Today. (n.d.). Three Georgians named among those charged in the takedown of the largest darknet child pornography website. Retrieved from https://valdostatoday.com

Wikipedia contributors. (n.d.). Welcome to Video case. Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welcome_to_Video_case

CONTENT WARNING: This episode contains content around child sexual abuse material and child exploitation. Listener discretion is advised.

This case makes Dark Web Diaries look tame. This week, we dive into the horrifying Welcome to Video case—one of the darkest and most expansive child exploitation networks ever uncovered. Operating in the shadows of the internet, Welcome to Video was a marketplace of unimaginable crimes, where thousands of users exchanged Bitcoin for access to child abuse material.

At the center of it all was Son Jong-Woo, an unassuming South Korean student who built and maintained the site, allowing it to thrive undetected for years. But in 2017, a single encrypted file linked to the site caught the attention of U.S. Homeland Security Investigations (HSI)—and what they found was more horrifying than anyone could have imagined. This discovery triggered an international investigation spanning the United States, South Korea, and the United Kingdom, with law enforcement racing to uncover the full scale of the operation.

By March 2018, authorities managed to shut the site down, but their work was far from over. Investigators were left combing through hundreds of thousands of videos, unmasking both the victims and the perpetrators behind the screen. What they uncovered exposed not just the website itself, but a massive underground network of offenders—many of whom were hiding in plain sight.

In Part 1, we reveal how a cryptic digital trail led authorities to one of the most sickening and far-reaching child exploitation cases in internet history. But the real nightmare? The people behind it weren’t just lurking in the dark—they were everywhere.

Thanks for listening! If you want to support us, you can follow/subscribe to WILDCIDE on your favorite podcast listening app. While you’re there, please rate and leave us a review – we would really appreciate it! You can also visit our website at www.wildcidepodcast.com (merch now available!) Make sure to get updates by following us on Instagram (@wildcidepodcast) and Facebook (Wildcide Podcast). 

Don’t forget Wildcide Wednesdays- new episodes drop every Wednesday at 6am EST. Interviews will drop every other Friday at 6am EST.

Art for the podcast was created by Kelly Steen. Editing/Production for the podcast by Bltzwolff ([email protected]).

​WILDCIDE Podcast and any content posted is presented solely for general informational, educational, and entertainment purposes. The use of information on this podcast or materials linked from this podcast or website is at the user’s own risk. It is not intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical or mental health condition they may have and should seek the assistance of their healthcare professionals for any such conditions. 

References:

Greenberg, A. (2019, October 16). Inside the Bitcoin bust that took down the web’s biggest child abuse site. WIRED. Retrieved from https://wired.com

Janczewski, C. M., Faruqui, Z. M., Reece, K. A., & W2V Team. (n.d.). Samuel J. Heyman Service to America Medals. Retrieved from https://servicetoamericamedals.org

United States Department of Justice, District of Columbia. (2022, September 7). New York man sentenced to 17 and a half years in prison for sexual exploitation of children and distribution of child pornography. Retrieved from https://justice.gov

United States Department of Justice, Office of Public Affairs. (2019, October 16). South Korean national and hundreds of others charged worldwide in the takedown of the largest darknet child pornography website, which was funded by Bitcoin. Retrieved from https://justice.gov

Valdosta Today. (n.d.). Three Georgians named among those charged in the takedown of the largest darknet child pornography website. Retrieved from https://valdostatoday.com

Wikipedia contributors. (n.d.). Welcome to Video case. Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia. Retrieved from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welcome_to_Video_case

A horrific crime, a high-stakes manhunt, and the inside story from the officer who lived it. In this episode, we sit down with Dallas PD Officer Joe King, a key player in the investigation and capture of Robert Sparks, the man responsible for one of Dallas’ most shocking family murders. Joe takes us behind the scenes of the case, sharing firsthand what it was like to track down Sparks and the reality of working major crimes in law enforcement.

But this episode isn’t just about true crime—it’s also about bridging the divide between law enforcement and the public. When Joe isn’t catching killers, he’s behind the mic on ATO: Bridging the Divide, a podcast that dives into the untold stories of first responders, mental health, and the human side of policing. We talk about the wildest moments from his career, the importance of storytelling in law enforcement, and why sometimes cops need therapy, too. A deep dive into true crime, justice, and the men and women behind the badge—this episode has it all. 

About Joe King:

Dallas PD’s Joe King has spent almost three decades with the Dallas Police Department. Most of his experience with the DPD has been working street level narcotics sales and hunting fugitives (we told you he was cool). Joe has created a habitual tracking database for burglars, drug dealers and robbers for the Dep, taught surveillance school, implemented reality-based training and has developed a case management filing system he teaches to detectives.  Joe is a Dickeys BBQ and Assist the Officer Foundation and board member where he is the Oz behind the curtains with his ATO: Bridging the Divide podcast. Here, he brings awareness to mental health issues among LEOs and their families. Joe is married to Kristen, a Dallas Child Abuse detective and father to, the love of his life, Carmen.

Tune into ATO: Bridging the Divide for an inside look at crime, cops, and the podcast that’s changing the conversation.

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Content Warning: This episode contains descriptions of sexual assault, violence, and human suffering. Listener discretion is advised.

Alright, let’s rewind to September of 2007 where a man by the name of Robert Sparks was living a relatively normal life—at least, that’s how it looked from the outside. But inside his home, it was a different story. Robert Sparks had a reputation for being controlling and paranoid, especially about his wife, Chare Agnew. By September 2007, Sparks’ paranoia hit its breaking point, and a Dallas neighborhood would become the backdrop for an unthinkable crime.

When police arrived at the scene, they weren’t prepared for the horrors they would find inside: three dead family members. 9-year-old Harold, 10-year-old Raekwon, and 30-year-old Chare. Sparks’ crimes were so barbaric, so personal, that even seasoned homicide investigators were unnerved. Even more bewildering were Sparks’ two stepdaughters 14-year-old LaKenya and 12-year-old Garysha huddled in a locked closet, traumatized with remnants of the previous night's horrors still on their faces.  What happened in the Rochester home that night sent shockwaves throughout all of Dallas.

People were horrified of the details of the crimes and all of Dallas PD was now turning to finding the fugitive who was on the run. A full out manhunt was underway. But what would unfold over the next weeks would add to the complex and totally bizarre components of this case: a mad car chase through Dallas neighborhoods, accusations of poisonings, and demands for secret audiocassette recordings to be used in proving Sparks' innocence. In this episode, we unravel the chilling details of the case, the trial that sparks heated debates about the crossroads of mental health and the judicial system. How do we judge the mind of a killer? 

Tune in on Friday, 2/14/25, for our sit down with Dallas PD's Joe King for a behind-the-scenes look at the case that shook Dallas in 2007.

Thanks for listening! If you want to support us, you can follow/subscribe to WILDCIDE on your favorite podcast listening app. While you’re there, please rate and leave us a review – we would really appreciate it! You can also visit our website at www.wildcidepodcast.com (merch now available!) Make sure to get updates by following us on Instagram (@wildcidepodcast) and Facebook (Wildcide Podcast). 

Don’t forget Wildcide Wednesdays- new episodes drop every Wednesday at 6am EST. Interviews will drop every other Friday at 6am EST.

Art for the podcast was created by Kelly Steen. Editing/Production for the podcast by Bltzwolff ([email protected]).

​WILDCIDE Podcast and any content posted is presented solely for general informational, educational, and entertainment purposes. The use of information on this podcast or materials linked from this podcast or website is at the user’s own risk. It is not intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical or mental health condition they may have and should seek the assistance of their healthcare professionals for any such conditions. 

References:

WFAA. (n.d.). Defense claims convicted killer Robert Sparks is mentally ill. WFAA. Retrieved December 31, 2024, from https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/defense-claims-convicted-killer-robert-sparks-is-mentally-ill/287-338776440

WFAA. (n.d.). In opening of Robert Sparks murder trial, details given about confession. WFAA. Retrieved December 31, 2024, from https://www.wfaa.com/article/news/local/in-opening-of-robert-sparks-murder-trial-details-given-about-confession/287-338811523

Texas Executions. (n.d.). Robert Sparks. Texas Executions. Retrieved December 31, 2024, from https://www.txexecutions.org/reports/565-Robert-Sparks.htm

Fusar-Poli P, Sunkel C, Larrauri CA, Keri P, McGorry PD, Thornicroft G, Patel V. Violence and schizophrenia: the role of social determinants of health and the need for early intervention. World Psychiatry. 2023 Jun;22(2):230-231. doi: 10.1002/wps.21074. PMID: 37159357; PMCID: PMC10168150.

A routine custody exchange. A deserted highway. Two women vanish without a trace.

On March 30, 2024, Jilian Kelley and Veronica Butler set off on what should have been a simple trip to pick up Veronica’s children. But when they never returned home, their loved ones knew something was terribly wrong. Their vehicle was later found abandoned near the Oklahoma-Kansas border, but there was no sign of the women. The unsettling clues left behind hinted at something far more sinister.

As law enforcement launched an investigation, they began to uncover a dark and twisted conspiracy—one fueled by paranoia, power, and an insatiable need for control. The case would lead authorities to a secretive anti-government group calling themselves God’s Misfits, whose disturbing beliefs and extreme actions would shock an entire community.

What happened to Jilian and Veronica that day? Who was behind their disappearance? And how did a bitter custody dispute escalate into something so horrifying?

In this episode, we break down the chilling details of the case, the web of deception woven by those responsible, and the terrifying truths uncovered along the way. Join us as we unravel the mystery behind God’s Misfits—a case of control, delusion, and murder.

As we discuss this heart-wrenching story, it's important to acknowledge the enduring impact on the victims' families. Clinton Butler, the father of Veronica Butler, has faced immense emotional and financial challenges following the loss of his daughter. To support him during this difficult time, a GoFundMe campaign has been established to help him retain his family home. If you're moved by his story and wish to contribute, you can find more information here: https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-clinton-butler-keep-his-family-home?utm_source=chatgpt.com

Thanks for listening! If you want to support us, you can follow/subscribe to WILDCIDE on your favorite podcast listening app. While you’re there, please rate and leave us a review – we would really appreciate it! You can also visit our website at www.wildcidepodcast.com (merch now available!) Make sure to get updates by following us on Instagram (@wildcidepodcast) and Facebook (Wildcide Podcast). 

Don’t forget Wildcide Wednesdays- new episodes drop every Wednesday at 6am EST. Interviews will drop every other Friday at 6am EST.

Art for the podcast was created by Kelly Steen. Editing/Production for the podcast by Bltzwolff ([email protected]).

​WILDCIDE Podcast and any content posted is presented solely for general informational, educational, and entertainment purposes. The use of information on this podcast or materials linked from this podcast or website is at the user’s own risk. It is not intended as a substitute for the advice of a physician, professional coach, psychotherapist, or other qualified professional, diagnosis, or treatment. Users should not disregard or delay in obtaining medical advice for any medical or mental health condition they may have and should seek the assistance of their healthcare professionals for any such conditions. 

References:

Al-Arshani, S., & Encinas, A. (2024, April 15). Timeline of events: Bodies found in connection to missing Kansas women, 4 people arrested. USA Today. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2024/04/15/veronica-butler-jilian-kelley-timeline-missing-kansas-women/73329356007/

Burch, J. (2024, November 6). Victim in Texas County murders stabbed 9 times, medical examiner says. KVII. https://abc7amarillo.com/news/local/victim-in-texas-county-murders-stabbed-16-times-medical-examiner-says-jilian-kelley-autopsy-veronica-butler

Fiallo, J. (2024, September 9). “f*cking b*tch!”: Fam of slain kansas moms lose it in Court. The Daily Beast. https://www.thedailybeast.com/family-of-murdered-kansas-moms-veronica-butler-and-jilian-kelley-lose-it-in-court/

JC Post. (2024, April 18). Grandmother admits responsibility for death of 2 missing Kan. women. https://jcpost.com/posts/ccc266aa-e3dd-4e0f-b172-2e23cb1a7113

McCoy, M. (2024, April 24). The deaths of two Kansas women unearthed an anti-government group. was it a factor in murder?. The Oklahoman. https://www.oklahoman.com/story/opinion/columns/2024/04/23/gods-misfits-oklahoma-veronica-butler-jilian-kelley-murder/73424210007/

McMillan, L. (2024, November 5). New details released in Jilian Kelley’s murder. KSN.COM News. https://www.ksn.com/news/crime/new-details-released-in-jilian-kelleys-murder/

Murder in The First Degree - Deliberate Intent 21 Murder in The First Degree - Deliberate Intent - 21 0.s. 701.7 (A), A Felon | PDF

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⚠️ Trigger Warning: This episode contains discussions of the Holocaust, including themes of genocide, suicide, violence, and trauma. Listener discretion is advised.

In this powerful and deeply personal episode, we sit down with Tom Glaser as he shares the extraordinary and harrowing journey of his parents' survival through the Holocaust. Through Tom’s vivid storytelling, we uncover the resilience, heartbreak, and unimaginable strength that defined his parents' experience during one of history’s darkest chapters.

Tom takes us beyond the statistics, giving voice to the intimate struggles and triumphs that shaped his family’s legacy. From life before the war to the trials of survival and the scars that lingered long after liberation, this episode offers a rare glimpse into the enduring impact of the Holocaust through the eyes of the next generation.

Join us for a poignant conversation that reminds us of the importance of remembering – and retelling – the stories that history must never forget.