In this episode of Wine, Women, and Revolution, Heather interviews Theresa and Renee from Mutual Morris and The Great Foodscape. They talk about mutual aid, gardening, and community power. This is the 2nd in a 3 part series about basic community and survival skills and community power. Times are uncertain and having basic skills to feed and care for yourself and your community could become a critical survival skill.

In this episode of Wine, Women, and Revolution, Heather interviews Margaret Kimberly about her book “Prejudential” Her book highlights the racist history of the American Presidency. There has not been a single president in US history that hasn’t displayed the ugly trait of racism. From owning slaves to refusing to pass anti-lynching bills, our history is dark and hurtful. Until we shine a light on the hidden parts of history, we will never begin to heal the wounds we have caused and move forward to a brighter future. This book is a must read for anyone who wants to understand the real history we aren’t taught in schools.

Margaret Kimberly 0:00Scholars and historians cover for these guys. Because it’s it’s right out there that Lincoln never gave up his dream of sending Black people out of the country.

Heather Warburton 0:17This is Wine, Women and Revolution with your host, Heather Warburton. Hi and welcome to Wine Women and Revolution. I’m your host Heather Warburton coming at you here on Create Your Future Productions. You can find us online at www.YourFutureCreator.com. Follow us on all the social medias and get us wherever you get your podcasts from. I’m really excited tonight, I’ve got an amazing guest for you guys. You probably already know or if you follow Black Agenda Report, then you definitely know her or about a year or so ago, she released a book called Prejudential. Welcome to the show. Margaret Kimberly.

Margaret Kimberly 0:58Oh, thank you so much, Heather. It’s a pleasure.

Heather Warburton 1:00Yeah, it’s always an honor to have you here. And you’re also a member of the Green Party. Even though you’re from New York, the jersey greens have kind of adopted you as one of our own.

Margaret Kimberly 1:10I love my jersey green people. I can’t wait. Well, for many reasons for the pandemic to be over. We can get together again, you’re a fun group. Also of course having the best politics ever, but very nice people.

Heather Warburton 1:23Yeah, we are definitely one of the farther left Green Parties, I would say in the country, we’re definitely holding up the socialist banner, proudly. So your book was amazing. I actually got the audio book of it, which you narrated yourself, was that stressful having to narrate your own audio book?

Margaret Kimberly 1:42It was fun. It was well, it was it was a great learning experience. You just sit in this little booth. And it’s it’s a funny thing, because they tell you this, you know, they have these amazing microphones, of course, and the thing I remember most from the email was they said, make sure you eat breakfast, because if your stomachs growling, the microphone will pick it up. That’s my enduring memory. And I, I said I you’re my best friend, you’re telling me to eat a big breakfast. Giving me permission. But it’s I mean, it’s all just stumbling and starting, you know, trying to read something. But it was it was, it was fun. Like anything else it took, like, I’m gonna say, two sessions. You know, each one, maybe a few hours long. Actually took less time than we scheduled. But it was, it was a lot of fun. And I’m glad it was my voice and not somebody else’s. It was fun to read my own words. And it was an affirmation. Yeah, I wrote a book. I read it. So yes. I’m glad you, you listen to it.

Heather Warburton 2:44And you can put your your own inflection on things that maybe somebody else that was reading your book, didn’t know your tone of thought when you were writing it. But when you were reading it yourself, you’re like, yeah, I wanted to really stress this word or stress this point.

Margaret Kimberly 2:57Well, someone pointed out to me, they said you got they said that I became more

In this episode of Wine, Women, and Revolution, Heather is joined by a comrade, Pinky to talk about street medicine. Pinky has been trained and served as a street medic at a number of events. They talk about some of specifics of doing medicine in a protest environment as well as some basics that you could use yourself if there is some reason you cant reach a doctor.

This episode if the first of a multipart series about mutual aid and self and community care for challenging times. things are tumultuous and the world is changing. This series will help you be more prepared for whatever the world throws at you.

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Pinky 0:00There was a particular joining between recognizing the need for Community Health alongside different groups, primarily, the Black Panthers was one to recognize that need

Heather Warburton 0:18This is Wine, Women and Revolution with your host, Heather Warburton. Hi, and welcome to Wine Women and Revolution. I’m your host Heather Warburton coming at you here on Create Your Future Productions. You can find us online at www dot your future creator . com. Follow us on all the social medias and get us wherever you get your podcast from. Today. Well, let me start off first with a little disclaimer for this. I’m not a medical professional, the person I’m interviewing is not a medical professional. So neither one of us are trained practicing doctors. But we are going to be talking a little bit about street medicine tonight. And this is kind of the first episode in a new series, I’m going to start bringing you practical skills on how to survive whatever may be coming. Things are kind of tumultuous right now. We don’t really know what the future looks like there. civil unrest, climate change, just natural disasters, there’s all kinds of things that really kind of could be impacting us in the future. So I’m going to lay out some practical organizing survival. And as we’re talking about today’s street medicine skills for you guys to really use no matter what situation you might find yourself in. So without further ado, let me introduce to you my guest. They’re a good comrade of mine. I’ve known them for years now we’ve organized together Pinky, welcome to the show.

Pinky 1:46Hey, Heather, thanks so much. Thank you for having me.

Heather Warburton 1:49Thank you for being here. Like I said, You’re a great comrade. I love some of the work you’re you guys doing with your organizations that you’re a part of. But tonight I really wanted to talk about you’ve been trained in street medicine, right?

Pinky 2:02Correct. Yeah. So I can give a little bit of, you know, my own personal background, as well as kind of general history in this part of the world, we’re getting straight medicine, and really where it came from, and then kind of what that looks like.

Heather Warburton 2:17Perfect.

Pinky 2:17I have been doing street medic work for about, I would say, a year and a half, two years roughly, in New Jersey, and you know, our surrounding region. And kind of what made me feel more comfortable slipping into that role, as opposed to other roles that I’ve had is just kind of some ancillary background in terms of just more professional stuff that I’ve done. So I’m first aid certified and CPR certified, and have done that informally as a part of different jobs that I’ve had. So that was something I felt comfortable doing, obviously, not in the capacity of a doctor or anything like that. But I felt confident in terms of typical or average things you would see within the context of protests, or, you know, being on the street for a variety of different capacities.

So really, I guess where the, I guess history of street medicine can be traced in the

In this Episode of Wine, Women, and Revolution Heather is joined by Roxanne Sutocky from the Cherry Hill Women’s center to talk about the future of abortion rights in NJ and across the globe. They discuss some of the struggles caused by the pandemic as well as some global victories. How will the new president and new justices affect Roe? Finally they talk about how we all need to apply pressure here in NJ to make our legislators support a bill that provides true equitable care for all.

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Roxanne Sutocky 0:00When we started to see states really manipulating and taking advantage of the emergency powers bestowed upon them because of COVID to close reproductive health care centers outright. We started to see increases in the number of people that were traveling.

Heather Warburton 0:21This is Wine Women and Revolution with your host, Heather Warburton. Hi and welcome to Wine Women and Revolution. I’m your host Heather Warburton coming at you here on Create Your Future Productions. You can find us online at www.YourFutureCreator.com. Follow us on all the social medias and get us wherever you get your podcasts from. Today I have friend of the show join me first time on my new network here. But you know, I always had her on a couple of times, I think at least twice if not three times. And she was the host when we did our weed Women and wellness event out at the Cherry Hill Women’s Center. Welcome back to the show Roxanne Sutocky.

Roxanne Sutocky 1:02Hi Heather. Thanks so much for having me here today.

Heather Warburton 1:05Yeah, it’s been a while since we’ve talked. There’s a lot has happened since last, we talked about what was going on with reproductive freedom in this country. We have a new president, we have a new Supreme Court, all kinds of stuff is going on. We have had a global pandemic, I think since the last time I spoke to you. So things have changed quite a bit. How’s everybody doing out at the Women Center? First,

Roxanne Sutocky 1:28We’re hanging in there, you know, we have been deemed essential workers, you know, there has been no change in the need, or urgency of the need for abortion care. So we’ve been hanging in there, definitely been tough. But we have a tough group of folks that tend to dig their heels in to the work when it gets difficult. Very, very proud to work with everybody at the Cherry Hill woman center.

Micah Rasmussen 1:58Yeah, I would also like to attest the fact that everyone that I’ve met there is amazing people, they really are like, I’ve never seen such a great group of people in the healthcare field. But everyone I’ve met there, I’ve absolutely loved. So you’ve got a great group there.

Roxanne Sutocky 2:12Thank you. I think, you know, all health care workers have had to make a lot of adjustments with the pandemic, but we’re uniquely suited because since we provide abortion care, we are always pivoting based on all of the, you know, different laws and, and things that are kind of constantly changing in our world, which I know we’ll talk about today.

Heather Warburton 2:33Yeah, well, I guess we have to start off with. How did COVID affect the care, you’re able to provide locally and nationally because you do work with some centers outside of New Jersey.

Roxanne Sutocky 2:45Right, so the Cherry Hill Women’s Center is one of our affiliated centers. And I work as the Director of Community Engagement and work with all of the women’s centers. So we have five clinics in four states and our Advocacy Center, which is where all of our phone calls come in. And we work on logistics and financial planning. For people who are coming in for their appointment, we have our Hartford GYN center in Connecticut. And then we have

In this extended episode of Wine, Women, and Revolution, Heather is joined by Christian Perez to talk Qanon and other conspiracy theories. Who are they? How did the come to cause so much chaos? And where are they going under a Biden presidency. They repeat patterns of conspiracy theories that are centuries old, but have capitalized on social media and modern technology to spread their dangerous thinking.

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Christian Perez 0:00If you re still a Trumper or are you still adhering to Q anon, probably not that big of a critical thinker. So if they don’t disappear they’ll just morph into something else they’ll become something else.

Heather Warburton 0:16This is Wine, Women and Revolution with your host, Heather Warburton. Hi, and welcome to Wine, Women and Revolution. I’m your host, Heather Warburton coming at you here on Create Your Future Productions. You can find us online at www.YourFutureCreator.com. Follow us on all the social medias and get us wherever you get your podcasts from. Tonight I’m welcoming back a friend. He’s been on my show. God probably this is like fourth or fifth time, I think. And I always love having him on the show. Christian Perez welcome back.

Christian Perez 0:49Thanks for having me. Heather. Glad to be back.

Heather Warburton 0:52So you are my man on conspiracy theories. And the reason I wanted to have you back tonight is because it feels like conspiracy theorists are just getting more and more prevalent, or at least more and more people seem to be falling victim to conspiracy theories. And I saw somebody I pulled up to Walgreens the other day in my little town that I live in this, you know, cute, quaint little South Jersey town, and somebody had a Qanon bumper sticker. So I’m walking around Walgreens like, well, who’s the crazy person in here? And it’s just so weird. People used to hide the fact that they were like crazy conspiracy theorists and

Christian Perez 1:31Now they put it on their bumpers.

Heather Warburton 1:32Right? Am I wrong in thinking that it’s more prevalent now?

Christian Perez 1:36No, I mean, I would say it’s definitely more prevalent. conspiracy theories have always been around, you know, since the beginning of time since the beginning of modern history. You know, you can go back to the Middle Ages. But I think now, with the rise of the Internet with, you know, the election of Barack Obama in 2008, there’s definitely been a rise in conspiracy theories when it comes to social media, when it comes to the internet. Conspiracy theories are now more than ever able to spread, proliferate, change, evolve, mutate, I guess. They’re definitely more prevalent today. We have an emboldened Republican Party headed by President Trump and any number of his his followers that now we see post election , an election that they’ve clearly lost still pushing this conspiracy theory that that the election was rigged, that there’s some kind of movement against them. And you know, it’s not going to stop, these people aren’t going to go away. And I think Trump has shown a, you know, a playbook almost for future conspiracy theorists or future megalomaniacs who want to rise to power, all you got to do is lie, the media will have no idea how to cover you will give you all kinds of free publicity. And you could make your way into power. So I think you’re absolutely accurate and thinking that they’re more prevalent today because they are.

Heather Warburton 2:57And even in communities like that you would not expect conspiracy theories and fascist thinking to be prevalent, like I learned from a friend who teaches yoga that she can’t even go to yoga retreats anymore, because conspiracy theorists are taking over new age groups, yoga g

In this episode of Wine, Women, and Revolution Heather interviews musician and activist Ben Grosscup. Ben bills himself as a labor troubadour following in the long tradition of merging song and protest, he also serves as the executive director of the People’s Music Network. They delve into some deep subject matter in this interview ranging from how neo-liberalism is actively committing violence on the world, to how capitalism can not react rationally to our modern global crises, to the “American Idolization” of our collective singing culture.

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Ben Grosscup 0:00So Love me Love me Love me. I’m a liberal.

Heather Warburton 0:17This is Wine Women and Revolution with your host, Heather Warburton. Hi and welcome to Wine Women and Revolution. I’m your host Heather Warburton coming at you here on Create Your Future Productions. You can find us online at YourFutureCreator.com . Follow us on all the social medias and get us wherever you get your podcasts from. This is a guest I booked a little while ago and I’ve been really excited for if you follow me on social media, as you probably see me a couple of times share a video by this guy. And it’s the “Love me I’m a Liberal”. I think I first saw one that was the remake, he updated it for the Obama administration. And since then I’ve seen videos of him here and they’re updating it again and again. So first off, I just want to welcome to the show Ben Ben Grosscup.

Ben Grosscup 1:05Heather, thank you so much for having me.

Heather Warburton 1:07Yeah, it’s exciting. I was so happy that you said yes. I’m always still surprised when people say yes. Like I write these, you know, awesome people like you to be on my show. And when they say yes, like Yeah. So it’s very cool that you decided to come on the show. So I wanted to start right in. You’re kind of a labor troubadour I think I saw you refer to yourself as once. You take a lot of these classic labor and socialist songs and either update them or perform them. How did you get into the hat?

Ben Grosscup 1:37Oh, my goodness. Well, you know, a lot of my journey through political music has actually been connected to this thing called “The People’s Music Network”. But that was starting in like the late 90s. And I’m actually starting in 2013, I became the executive director of the People’s music network. So as a teen, I was very involved in anti war activism. And by a teen, I just turned 39 yesterday. And so in 1999, I was very involved in the movement in Minneapolis, where I grew up fighting against the sanctions on Iraq, we understood that to be a real genocide imposed by the United States government against an entire population. And, you know, in the ferment of anti war, pro peace activism, you know, I got involved with some music, I had been in a ska band, a very apolitical ska band as even younger than, than that, like, I mean, 17. And so, and then, and then 16, and 17. And so and then, you know, shortly after I turned 18, I got involved with this group Voices in the Wilderness. And I actually went to Iraq on this delegation, with this pacifist organization that was trying to resist the sanctions regime being imposed on the people of Iraq. And then I came home and I was on fire, I was wanting to organize with people, do activism, go to demonstrations, put on demonstrations, and also wanted to do music. So I remember I mean, as a pretty, pretty young person, you know, I actually produced a CD, that was a benefit CD. I mean, this is like 1999. So people still did this. And it was it was a variety CD of songs from songwriters about the sanctions on Iraq. And even though I wasn’t, I didn’t go to any in person gatherings. At that point, I did find through email members of the People’

In this episode of Wine, Women, and Revolution, Heather is joined by Kate Moore, author of Radium Girls. Radium Girls tells the story of a group of women who were slowly poisoned by radium paint their job encouraged them to ingest, and their fight for justice against overwhelming odds. This is a tragic story of capitalism, exploitation, and death. These women changed the world because of their strength and dedication. We all owe them a debt and need to learn their names and histories.

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Kate Moore 0:00But the company told them no, it’s absolutely safe. There’s no reason to be afraid. But of course, that wasn’t true. And actually, it wasn’t true even at the time. Because yes, you know what’s marketed it all the newspapers and magazines and the drugstores is that radium is a wonder drug. But actually, when you look at who was funding the research that supposedly said that, it was the radium firms who were making money out of all those products, the radium chocolate and radium water and the radium dressings and so on.

Heather Warburton 0:36This is Wine Women and Revolution with your host, Heather Warburton. Hi, and welcome to Wine Women and Revolution. I’m your host Heather Warburton coming at you here on Create Your Future Productions. You can find us online at www.YourFutureCreator.com. Follow us on all the social medias and get us wherever you get your podcasts from. Today, I have an interview that’s been so long in the making. I’ve been so excited about it for so long. I think I reached out to my guest today, not this past summer but the summer before to have her as a guest on my show. And she’s like no, no, I’m working on a new book. Hit me up again in the spring. Well, we all know what happened in the spring, COVID destroyed everything. And then over the course of the late summer, I dissolved my previous company and started up this brand new company here so. But everything finally worked out and all the stars managed to align so I’m so excited to have my guest today. Today I have with me New York Times Best Seller author of the basically modern classic of Radium Girls, Kate Moore Welcome to the show.

Kate Moore 1:45Thank you so much. Lovely to be here at last.

Heather Warburton 1:49It took us a while but uh, you know, your book pretty much i think is on the shelf of every leftist woman that I know.

Kate Moore 1:58That’s that’s an amazing thing to say.

Heather Warburton 2:03But for anyone that hasn’t heard of Radium Girls, can you give me a little summary of what the general gist of the book is about?

Kate Moore 2:12Sure. Well, I think the most important thing to say is it’s a history book. It’s all true, it’s nonfiction. And it tells the true story of a group of American women from the First World War and roaring 20s era who were poisoned by the radium paint that they work with. Their employers refuse to admit responsibility. So these incredibly strong women embark on a landmark fight for justice.

Heather Warburton 2:38So what got you interested in this subject?

Kate Moore 2:42Well, I came to the story of the Radium Girls through a play actually, and didn’t know anything about them. It literally was just looking. I typed into Google great plays for women. Because as a female director, I like to tell stories about women I wanted to put on a play with great parts for actresses. And one of the plays that came back was called These Shining Lives by Melanie Marnich. And it’s about the Ottawa, Illinois dial painters. So I got into the story through a play. And what really connected with me about it was the women themselves. For me, it was always about the radium girls and the individual radium girls as well, because I think if people have

In this episode of Wine, Women, and Revolution, Heather hosts a panel discussion about the revolutionary social studies curriculum in NJ directed by the Amistad Law. New Jersey is the first state in the country to pass a law and implement a truly racially inclusive social studies program. Today, Heather is joined by Gary Melton, Dr. Stephanie James-Harris, and Tamar Lasure Owens. They talk about the successes, challenges, and plans for what can be done in NJ. Can a social studies curriculum change the world? It just might be able to with the dedication of hard working educators.

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Gary Melton 0:00We as educators must, must learn to infuse, right and it’s not a standalone, it’s not something that should be siloed and put to the side and only brought out when when people feel like it’s necessary. African American History is American history.

Heather Warburton 0:22This is Wine, Women and Revolution, with your host, Heather Warburton. Hi, and welcome to Wine Women and Revolution. I’m your host, Heather Warburton coming at you here on Create Your Future Productions. You can find us online at www.YourFutureCreator.com. Follow us on all the social medias and get us wherever you get your podcasts from. Tonight, I’ve got a really amazing panel. So I don’t want to do too much introduction other than just to tell you, we’re going to be talking again about the Amistad curriculum and some other really good successes we’re having here in New Jersey and some of the challenges that we’re having. But like I said, I don’t want to give you too much intro because I’ve got three amazing people here tonight. And I want to jump right in let them introduce themselves first.

Let’s start with Mr. Gary Melton, would you like to introduce yourself?

Gary Melton 1:11Yes, good evening. Thank you so much. My name is Gary Melton, I’m the Associate Director of the New Jersey Education Association. Its executive office. And part of my duties are well really, the whole listing of my duties is racial, social and economic justice. But I also do governance for the organization, and so have been a part of Amistad since its inception as a classroom teacher, and kind of carried that over and trying to make sure that implementation is being successful in the state of New Jersey. So we have really been driving our members along with the Amistad Commission to make sure that this is being done appropriately and effectively to every school district in the state.

Heather Warburton 1:59Who would like to go next.

Dr. Stephanie James-Harris 2:02I’ll go next, how are you?

Heather Warburton 2:04I’m good. Hopw are you

Dr. Stephanie James-Harris 2:05I’m good. I’m good. I’m Dr. Stephanie James-Harris. I am the Executive Director of the New Jersey Amistad Commission at the Department of Education for the state of New Jersey. And I’m excited to be able to be with you today. I’m always excited to talk about Amistad law, implementation across the state, some of our successes, and some of our challenges. I’ll call them challenges not failures as we try to really move social justice issues as well as make sure that there is an infusion of a variety of histories into our K through 12 curriculum for the state in the attempt to try to make sure that our next generation of leaders are global thinkers and understand our collective contribution to this world history.

Heather Warburton 3:02And last but not least,

Tamar Lasure Owens 3:05Hi there. I’m Tamar Owens. I’m a teacher at Leeds Avenue school. I teach first grade I’m also the district AMHOTINO coordinator, which stands for Amistad, Holocaust, Latino history. I have also attend the Amistad Summer Institute sin

In this episode of Wine, Women, and Revolution, Heather is joined by Derek Black author of “School House Burning”. They talk about the concept that public education has been an integral part of American democracy through the earliest days of the founding of the country. As much as racism has attacked these ideals, the idea of a public education for all is so ingrained in America that is has even survived racism. Public education is under attack from both sides of the aisle these days from Betsy Devos and Chris Christie to Cory Booker and Obama’s appointees. The push for charter schools is a new form of racist attack but Derek shows us how much we can learn from studying the history, so we can move forward with an even deeper commitment to protect our education system. Education is the true path to citizenship and without it, we have nothing resembling a democracy.

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Derek Black 0:00So we had three things Common Core, teacher evaluation systems, and charter schools being pushed out on public schools during the Obama administration.

Heather Warburton 0:15This is Wine Women and Revolution with your host, Heather Warburton. Hi and welcome to Wine Women and Revolution. I’m your host Heather Warburton coming at you here on Create Your Future Productions. Create Your Future Productions is the only place you can find new episodes of Wine, Women and Revolution. And you can find us online at YourFutureCreator.com follow us on all the social medias and get us wherever you get your podcasts from. Today I am going to be talking about education, which you know, is a topic I’ve covered a few times here. But I’ve got with me today the author of “School House Burning: Public Education and the Assault on American Democracy”. Derrick Black, welcome to the show.

Derek Black 1:01Yeah, thanks for having me on. It’s a pleasure.

Heather Warburton 1:03So I guess you know, the most important thing to talk about is when we’re recording this, Betsy DeVos is kind of going to be on her way out soon. By the time people listen to this. She may be in our last few weeks of torturing American education. So that’s kind of exciting.

Derek Black 1:20Yeah, it is. I had a post I put up the other day and said after watching the, you know, the the results come in. People were enormously excited for the end of the Trump presidency and the end of him as President, but running a close second, I think was the end of Betsy Devos as Secretary of Education. I mean, if you were, if you were looking at things, they were immediately articles going up, and I actually got one of the biggest responses I’ve had and Twitter, in the last few weeks at least, and it was just mentioning that Betsy was on her way out. And certainly folks are looking forward to that.

Heather Warburton 1:56Absolutely. But we can’t just pretend that all the attacks, the recent attacks on public education just started under the Trump presidency. It’s been a while now that the public education has been under attack. And whart you sort of laid out in your book is that you talk about the current political climate a little bit and dove in to the history, which that’s kind of what we’re going to do here today is a little bit of talk about how it kind of where we are and how we got to right now. And you said, you know, under Obama when he appointed Duncan, that was a pretty bad sign for how they were going to be dealing with public education. Right.

Derek Black 2:35Yeah, I mean, already, Duncan had been superintendent in Chicago public schools, and had been part of a pretty massive expansion of charter schools there. And there was also clearly a divide at that moment, a lot of folks were talking about Linda Darling Hammond as being the Secretary of Education. Her name

In this episode of Wine, Women, and Revolution, Heather interviews Jane Ward about her book The Tragedy of Heterosexuality. Jane describes herself as an ally of heterosexual women. You could call her book a self help book that hates self help books. In her book, Ms Ward attempts to tackle the underlying causes of pain in heterosexual relationships which she refers to as the heterosexuality paradox. If straight men claim to love women so much, then why do so many of their actions seem to center hating women instead of loving them? She draws inspiration from the lesbian feminist writings of the 70s and 80s and offers a brand new prescription for straightness. In short, the answer is to take a page from lesbians and to honor "the human capacity to desire, fuck, and show respect at the same time.”

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Jane Ward 0:00One of the things that became really clear, especially as I was, you know, getting older moving into my 40s was that straight women seemed really miserable in their marriages. They spent a lot of their time complaining about their husbands, there was a lot of divorce happening that was initiated by women. And so I guess I want to reconcile this long standing narrative about how being queer makes for such a difficult life with what seemed to be the reality which is that most queer people I know really love the queer parts of our lives.

Heather Warburton 0:46This is Wine, Women and Revolution, with your host, Heather Warburton. Hi, and welcome to Wine, Women and Revolution. I'm your host Heather Warburton coming at you here on Create Your Future Productions. You can find us online at www.yourfuturecreator.com Follow us on all the social medias and get us wherever you get your podcasts from. I've been really excited about this interview ever since I booked it. And I booked it kind of a while ago. This is another author that I'm bringing to you guys today. And she had a really interesting concept for a book and I was so excited to talk to her. The book is called The Tragedy of Heterosexuality. And the author is Jane Ward. Welcome to the show, Jane.

Jane Ward 1:28Thank you so much for having me.

Heather Warburton 1:31So I guess my first question, as I was reading the book, I wanted to ask Who were you writing this book for? Who is your audience you had in mind?

Jane Ward 1:41Oh, gosh, that's such a good question. I mean, I, this is my third book. And I am a professor of Gender and Sexuality Studies. And so you know, when you have an academic job, you who you're supposed to be writing for is other scholars. However, one of the beautiful things about being at the later stage of your career having tenure, and all of that is that you can decide, you know, I don't just want to write for other scholars, I want to write for a popular audience, I want more people to have access to my ideas. So this book is published with NYU press. And I have a great editor who was very happy for me to try to write in an accessible way that everyone would be able to understand. And so my hope is that this is a book for people. Anybody who's ever been in a heterosexual relationship, any queer person who wants some affirmation about the beauty of queerness, so pretty much everybody.

Heather Warburton 2:44Again, I thought you I thought it was interesting that you actually call yourself an ally, to heterosexual people, like you're kind of flipping that script of Usually, people say they're an ally to the LGBTQIA. community. So you're kind of flipping that around in this book.

Jane Ward 3:00Yes. So that was that was one of the original ideas or like an epiphany that I had. And when I say epiphany, I mean, really just kind of about my own life experience that motivated me to write this book. So you know, on the one hand, we have this story about how it's really difficult to be a member of the LGBT communi