Wit, Wisdom, and What Matters Most Episode 15 Year-end tips & pitfalls Kyle: Investment advisory services offered by Moneta Group Investment Advisors, LLC, an investment adviser registered with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Registration does not imply a certain level of skill or training. The information discussed in this podcast is for informational and educational purposes only. You should consult with an appropriately credentialed professional before making any financial, investment, tax, or legal decision And welcome to another edition of Wit, Wisdom, and What Matters Most. It's a podcast by Moneta's Gast Freeman Troyer Racen Team. My name is Kyle Luetters, an advisor on the team. I am joined by Danton Troyer, one of the partners. And Danton, it is very, very difficult to believe, and I know we say this every year, but it's very difficult to believe we are at the end of another year; 2025 is coming to an end. And what a year it was, especially in Q1 and Q2. Danton: Yeah, it's kind of crazy to think about all the different things we've kind of seen and gone through. From tariff talk to, obviously, leading into a presidential term, and we're at the end of it. So it'll be interesting to see. But we want to talk about some of the year-end planning tips that we typically talk through with clients, but also some of the pitfalls we see in trying to implement those. Kyle: 100%. And to add a caveat into that, tariffs, Liberation Day trades, and then, by the way, we just really overhauled large bits of the tax code, literally on the 4th of July. I remember reading the summary of what they passed at the pool this summer going, this is going to make for some unique year-end planning opportunities. And we're going to kind of go through some of those. So first and foremost, I think we should talk about why it's crucial to have a plan, why it is crucial to be organized going into this time of year. Danton: Yeah, we've seen lots of mistakes made, especially heading into year-end because there is a very definite deadline to a lot of these things and it's December 31st. And so if we're not getting these things done by that date, they don't count, they don't happen. So there is a hard stop in a lot of these. So being organized to your point and getting started earlier than later are all things that can help not run past that deadline. And once you're passed, you're passed. Kyle: And I think another thing, too, to back that up as well in this line of thought is 12-31 is the deadline for a lot of this. And if you've ever been to the DMV on the last day of the month, you know that it is not the most opportune time to try to get something done. In fact, many of our custodial partners will actually tell us that by about mid-December, anything submitted after a certain date is on a best- efforts basis. They will do their best, but they only have, there's only so much manpower. There's only so many hours left in the year in order to get these things done. And then also too, if you think about it from like our perspective as well too, it's the holiday season and taking a look at the holiday schedule this year, Christmas is on a Thursday. You're probably going to be reduced manpower the day after and probably the following week. So it really starts to back up when some of these things need to be done into late November, early December. And that's why the timing and having a plan around this is crucial. We actually, several members on our team, started this work right after Labor Day of pulling together spreadsheets, figuring out what needed to be done, making sure that we talked to clients well enough in advance because there's not a lot of people that really want to talk numbers with their financial planner at the Thanksgiving table. They want to talk about it with their brother-in-law. That was a joke. But anyway, so going through the why and the importance of it a little bit, but we're just going to go through and break down some things that you should probably be considering. And I'm going to be unashamed and say that this is prime time for tax planning. I mean, it's year end. Uh, we harvested, uh, hopefully some losses earlier this year when the markets were down. Uh, one of the things - do we need to offset some gains? Danton: Yeah. I remember the 2018, we had a market correction right there at year end. And it's not like you can go place those trades on January 1st and say, I want those losses back for me. You got to get it done by December 31st. So, that was a fun holiday, uh, surprise. Kyle: I was late to church on Christmas Eve that day because of that. My wife will never forget that. Danton: Yeah, I think it's burned in everybody's mind. It was at least around here. We're all hands on deck trying to get clients that loss, that no one saw it coming. And then all of a sudden the market was down significantly. Um, and then I guess to pour salt on it, it did it again and went down again. So we were in here like two different days were significant losses in the stock market. So you don't know when that's going to come, but you need to be prepared to take advantage, potentially, the tax loss harvesting even at year end. But to your point, that deadline is December 31st. Kyle: It has to happen in that year, has to be timestamped as happening in that year to help you out. Now, if you have more losses than you do gains - so basically if you have unused losses - they can roll forward into future years to be able to use. And that's why in years such as 2025, the tax loss harvesting that we do is so valuable. We may not utilize the full extent of those losses this year, but they'll carry forward. And we may need to use them in 2026, 2027, so on and so forth until we use them up. Speaking of taxes, this is another area that we've been spending a lot of time on here recently. It is making sure that withholding - if you're a W2 employee - is fairly accurate. Or if you're self-employed or retired, kind of getting some hands around an estimated payment that's due January 15th, by the way. And, really trying to make sure the tax picture is as true as what we can make it. Danton: Yeah, at least here you get, well, two weeks of reprieve. It's not December 31st, but the reality is, again, you need to be on this almost right now to make sure that you are in; a lot of our clients it's not as simple as, I'm just getting a salary. There's other income sources, maybe there's some executive compensation that was under-withheld as far as taxes go - that's very common, and just maybe a year-end bonus. I mean, whatever it is, making sure accounting for all these different sources of income, how they're taxed, and then that you paid enough taxes on those because a lot of times, the payroll is only going to do so much. Kyle: Uh, I will say as an employee, I love a year-end bonus. As a tax planner, I love a year-end bonus that's paid in March of the next year, right? It gives us just a little more flexibility of time, but please don't hear. I am a huge fan of the year-end bonus, but to Danton's point, it does bring in an additional element. And if you've been laying the framework, if you've been laying the foundation for a lot of this work well in advance, then we get to these pivotal moments of the year and it's small tweaks. Basically, the entire projections built out and we can go and we can tweak numbers and do a little true up. And sometimes with the withholding or the estimated tax payments, especially on withholding, we can go in and, and kind of mitigate if we need to maybe withhold more, or if we need to send some more back to the paycheck, we can, we have more payroll periods to break that up across because nobody really wants to go into December, realize that they're going to owe a lot in tax and their last paycheck for the year is dramatically reduced. I will tell you, that is like a hard candy Christmas if I've ever seen one. Other tax moves to consider - using up HSA or not HSA, but FSA funds. So Danton, you kind of want to go through like the difference between HSAs and FSAs as far as it comes to a year-end planning. Danton: Yeah, the biggest thing there is that the HSA, we can roll forward and definitely you don't need to worry about that. And in fact, we'd probably advise you not to spend those dollars. The FSA is, you know, a whole different animal. You have to get those dollars. I know there's a little bit of reprieve on that, but for right now, you basically, you do have a deadline to spend those dollars as well. So if you're not, if you don't have a handle on that and you didn't get those dollars out, hopefully we're not waiting until December 31st to try and get those dollars out, but that would be something you need to be creative with potentially and trying to figure out how we can get those dollars out before year-end, at least to the extent that we can't roll over. Kyle: Yeah. You bring up a very important part about the year-end deadline, and we've done some talking on charitable giving. Go check out another episode here in the podcast that discusses that more in depth. But walk us through just a little bit some of the pitfalls that can occur if you do some gifting, specifically like directly to charities, if you don't get it done soon enough before year-end. Danton: Yeah, I was, I guess, shocked myself one year. A client, we were going through their year-end giving and we were assisting them and sending out the checks directly from their account, and they just sent them out probably November. We were shocked to find out come January, some of those checks weren't cashed. You would think that with some of these charities, they're, especially a year in, they're needing money, which is definitely true. But they also, especially some of these smaller charities, just, they may have the same issues....