Word of The Witnesses: 12 Monkeys Rewatch Podcast

Beep & CC are joined by Erin to discuss 1.08 “Yesterday” & 1.09 “Tomorrow.”

5:50 Episode rewatch pairing recs to maximize insight (and pain)

9:55 So many yesterdays & tomorrows: same place, different time

10:53 1:08 Yesterday

Parallels to Mansfield Park

Duped for the first time...and definitely not the last

Ok fine, Aaron Marker is an awesome boyfriend...for now

Ramse & protecting the people he loves

Sons are fated to their fathers

Your view on Ramse’s arc may depend on your real world life experience

Are Foster & Jones really that different than Deacon?

The great Jones vs. Foster moral debate: philosophical conundrum, personal motivations...and dick measuring contest

Leaders, lies & utopias premised on sin

Jones knows what Jones knows!

Relying on “fate” for absolution

1:16:55 1.09 Tomorrow

Lofty ideals vs. personal stakes

Cassiopeia & Andromeda

Shakespeare’s Sonnet 19: time as an enemy

A general and lieutenant of two men

“So what? Some chick said my name.”

The tragic bromance of Ramse & Cole

1001 reasons why the CDC scene is epically tragic & 12 Monkeys is a masterpiece (you may need to adjust your volume)

The future always lies with daughters

Don't you.... forget about DEACON! We had the privilege of speaking with Mr. Todd Stashwick about his dramatic exit and re-entry as the culmination of one of the coolest character arcs ever. This man loves Theodore Deacon as much as we do and it was a delight to spend time with him talking 12 Monkeys and general geekery.

CC & Beep are joined by Erin, our friend who happens to be a literature professor. We had a lot of thoughts on the thematic elements of Frankenstein, how every character is reminiscent of the creature in some way, and also love wolves.

Time Stamps

5:10 Guest panelist Erin enters the gauntlet: the great red forest query & time as a character

31:05 “Herr Frankenstein”? But first, Mary Shelley’s Frankenstein is not the pop culture version

46:41 Parallels between 12 Monkeys & Frankenstein: the mad scientist, creatures outside of the natural order, isolation, nature vs. nurture, and feeding the two wolves

66:44 1:06 The Red Forest

Visions as memories of tomorrow

Time is going to take what is owed

The most awkward road trip ever

Casserole: moral ships passing in the night

Well hello, striking woman

The many, many meanings of the red forest/the house of cedar & pine

101:12 1:07 The Keys

The series is established as one giant feels attack

Foreshadowing Blood Washed Away

The power of romantic tropes

A Frankenstein of Tandoori Chicken

Cole’s senses coming alive

Death & the importance of now

Mythology building: Druse & the custodians of time

Wexler as a foil for Cole

The Keys & “a better version” of Cole

Aaron Marker: come on, he’s not that bad?

Join CC & Beep as we pick the brain of Sean Tretta, 12 Monkeys writer and producer who blessed us with eps like Lullaby, Blood Washed Away, Thief, and Demons.

As always, full series SPOILERS abound.

Beware. You may be convinced of something unexpected by the end.

You're walking through a red forest... the grass is tall...

You asked and he answered! Join CC & Beep as we spend an hour and a half with Mr. Terry Matalas, co-creator and showrunner of 12 Monkeys.

CC, Beep, and special guest Jen have a lot of brain breaking thoughts, feels, and laughs about 12 Monkeys 1.05, The Night Room.

Announcements

Holy cow, Terry Matalas & Todd Stashwick are coming on to answer your questions! [incoherent screaming]

8:30 - Getting to Know Dr. Jones

Happy hour with the boss

The importance of conversation on 12 Monkeys

Jones vs. Ramse’s moral debate

Jones’s room as a metaphor for Jones

Utilitarian dilemmas

55:00 - The Night Room!

The layers now that we know what we know! AGH!

The case for The Pallid Man

The Cassie/Cole/The Pallid Man conversation now makes our brains hurt

Cole’s journey of self-forgiveness

Oh Season 1 Cassie, you sweet summer child

“Who’s this bitch?”

So many Jennifers

Clues to the primary mythology

The First Rule of Being Goines

Listener challenge: Can you explain how Olivia is the origin of the virus better than we can lol?

1:49:30 - Upcoming Episodes

Join CC, Beep, and special guest Bubs as we cover 12 Monkeys episodes 1.02-1.04. There’s plenty of laughter and blown minds in this one. (You should hear the black holes we cut!)

ANNOUNCEMENT:

Terry Matalas is coming on the pod!

02:30 - Guest Panelist Bubs enters our gauntlet of feels, answering questions regarding her favorite things about 12 Monkeys

16:30 - Thank you to David Grossman for amazing tv!

17:45 - Mentally Divergent

Fun with easter eggs!

JENNIFER!

Why is the Pallid Man so very creepy?

Casserole feels

Cole & Jones

59:45 - Cassandra Complex

Cassie’s burden

One v the many

Hello, Deacon!

1:22:00 - Atari

The Game Go/Atari

Worldbuilding & West VII!

Deacon as an antagonist

Ramse & Deacon’s tug of war for Cole’s soul

Red tea visions!

Ramse’s moral POV journey

West VII: ride or die LOL

Never kill the dog!

1:49:00 “Witness” Marks on a Clock: the sound of our minds being blown

SPOILERS!!!! Well, this didn't turn out so mini after all. We had a ton of tremendous feedback about your favorite moments from 12 Monkeys. Listen in to get to know a little about some other fans and the moments they were most affected by.

In the inaugural episode, BP, CC & special guest, Jen discuss a deep dive rewatch of Episode 1.01 “Splinter” & why 12 Monkeys is one of the greatest television series of all time. Spoilers abound!

Hello! We are CC & BP and we will be your hosts

10:22 Why Katarina Jones is the best

17:52 Where we stand on the Red Forest

19:52 Why 12 Monkeys is one of the all time great television shows

46:52 Favorite costuming era

51:34 Ep 1.01 “Splinter” discussion

1:58:32 Listener Feedback Discussion of the week