Are we actually friends or are we just sharing Slack threads and the same calendar invites?

This week we dive into that in between space of coworker relationships and genuine friendship—where you might spend forty hours a week together yet still wonder if you would ever hang out outside the office.

I bring in my business partner and closest colleague, Kyle Walbrun. We’ve been through some wild seasons together, including the day I had an emergency C-section at 36 weeks and my maternity leave started with just one hour of notice. Moments like that bonded us, yet they still lived inside the structure of work.

We talk about why I keep wishing we had more words for the different types of friendship, the way Greek has multiple words for love, since the word “friend” can mean everything from your ride-or-die bestie to your neighbor to your gym buddy.

We also get into why resignations always feel shocking even though most people cannot say what they’re truly feeling before they leave, and the instant ick I get when people use the phrase “work husband” or “work wife.”

If you’ve ever struggled to name what a coworker actually is to you, this episode gives language and clarity for that weird in between space of someone you may even spend more time with during the week than your actual family!

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