The wrestle with busyness, productivity, balance, and tech easily becomes the story of our lives.

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“I don't like work-life balance. I think that it implies that work is a different thing from life. And I think that if we're doing work right, it's a part of life.”

Dr Jenny George cares deeply about people’s well-being at work. She is CEO of Converge International, which provides Employee Assistance Programs among other things. 

And Daniel Sih, as a productivity coach, pastor, and former physiotherapist, is all about helping busy people make space in their lives. He’s the author of Spacemaker: How to Unplug, Unwind and Think Clearly in the Digital Age.

Work/life balance, digital Sabbath, tech addiction, time management, working from home, inbox zero … these things have a profound impact on how we experience our lives day-to-day. Join Simon Smart and Natasha Moore for a conversation about what mental and spiritual health looks like in our high-pressure, hyperconnected moment.

“Actually we'll never get everything done, we'll never read everything we can do, we'll never be the perfect mum or perfect dad, or get through every episode of Netflix that we want to watch. It'll never happen in the digital age, and so that pausing allows us to say, ‘I'm enough, and it's enough, and mess is ok. Let's enjoy today.’”

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Check out Daniel Sih’s Spacemaker: How to Unplug, Unwind and Think Clearly in the Digital Age

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