Worldviews

Branko Milanovic joins the show to discuss his latest book, The Great Global Transformation: The United States, China, and the Remaking of the World Economic Order (2026). We discuss the emergence of a new elite; similarities between Trump, Putin, and Xi; and “national market liberalism” in a multipolar world.

Branko Milanovic is a Research Professor at the CUNY Graduate Center and former lead economist at the World Bank. He is the author of Global Inequality: A New Approach for the Age of Globalization (2016), Capitalism, Alone: The Future of the System That Rules the World (2019), and Visions of Inequality: From the French Revolution to the End of the Cold War (2023), and The Great Global Transformation: The United States, China, and the Remaking of the World Economic Order (2026).

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• 00:00:00 Introduction
• 00:00:40 The Great Global Transformation
• 00:05:00 Towards a new convergence theory?
• 00:08:00 Homoploutia and the new capitalists
• 00:10:15 Does capitalism create the same elites everywhere?
• 00:13:30 How does global redistribution of wealth affect domestic politics
• 00:19:15 Evolving state-elite relations  
• 00:24:30 AI and the new arms race
• 00:30:30 National market liberalism
• 00:34:35 The nation-state in a changing world order
• 00:37:30 Economic spheres of influence
• 00:40:00 Nationalism as an alternative to globalism?
• 00:42:40 How can West and East be defined?
• 00:47:00 Warmongering of European elites
• 00:49:40 Irresponsibility of small states

• The Great Global Transformation

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Mark Leonard, Co-Founder and Director of the European Council on Foreign Relations, joins Worldviews with Peter Slezkine to discuss Europe’s evolving identity, the current state of the transatlantic relationship, prospects for ending the war in Ukraine, and the future of Europe in a changing global order.

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• 00:00 - 1:00: Introduction
• 1:00 – 2:45: Brief biography
• 2:45 - 8:10: The creation of ECFR
• 8:10 - 11:15: How is the European project defined?
• 11:15 - 13:20: How did Brexit change Europe? / What is the role of Russia in Europe?
• 13:20 - 15:55: What is the nature of the transatlantic relationship?
• 15:55 – 25:55: Did European integration turn out as hoped?
• 25:55 - 28:35: Europe’s strategic errors
• 28:35 - 35:15: Is there a “European identity?”
• 35:15 – 41:10: How US foreign policy galvanizes Europe
• 41:10- 46:05: From a project of peace to a project of war
• 46:05 – 48:00: How does Europe want to end the war in Ukraine?
• 48:00 - 50:00: Can European unity survive peace in Ukraine?
• 50:00 - 54:00: How does nationalist populism threaten European unity?
• 54:00 - 57:30: Will the US resist an increasingly autonomous Europe?
• 57:30 - 1:01:30: What is the fundamental unit of international politics?
• 1:01:30 - 1:01:49: Outro

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Fyodor Voitolovsky, director of the Institute of World Economy and International Relations at the Russian Academy of Sciences, returns to the Trialogue to lay out Moscow's vision for ending the war in Ukraine, the security guarantees Russia wants for itself, why a UN Security Council resolution may be the only durable guarantee against renewed conflict, and how the Ukraine war has permanently reshaped Russia's relationships with China, Europe, and the United States.

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Arvind Gupta, co-founder and head of the Digital India Foundation  joins the Trialogue to discuss the role of technology in electoral politics, the importance of Y2K in jumpstarting India’s digital capacity,  the Indian concept of digital sovereignty, the difference between the Indian, American, Chinese, and European approaches to digital technology, and the significance of India, and Indians, to American Big Tech.

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Deck: Arne Westad, Elihu Professor of History and Global Affairs at Yale University, joins the Trialogue to discuss his new book The Coming Storm, why the world today resembles the years before World War I more than the Cold War, what roles the U.S., China, India, and Russia are playing in this dangerous drama, and whether the fires burning from Ukraine to the South China Sea can be kept from merging into a global conflagration.

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Hossein Kanani Moghaddam, leader of the Green Party of Iran and former senior IRGC commander joins the Trialogue from Tehran to discuss the Strait of Hormuz, the nuclear question, relations with Russia and China, and the prospects for a negotiated settlement with the Trump administration.

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Federico Petroni, senior analyst at Limes, Italy's leading geopolitical journal, joins the Trialogue to discuss Europe’s anger over the U.S. attack on Iran, NATO’s fraught future, Italy’s Mediterranean strategy, and its regional rivalries with France and Turkey, 

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Zhao Hai, Director of the International Politics Program in the National Institute for Global Strategy at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, returns to the Trialogue to discuss the impact of the US-Israeli war with Iran, the state of US-China trade relations, the future of international institutions, and the prospects of stabilizing cross-strait relations, among other subjects.

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Mathew Burrows, program lead of the Stimson Center's Strategic Foresight Hub, returns to the podcast for a forward-looking conversation. We discuss global demographic decline, the energy transition, the promises and limits of AI, the future of the transatlantic relationship, and China's role in a multipolar world.

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Curt Mills, executive director of The American Conservative magazine, joins the Trialogue to discuss the evolution of anti-interventionist thought on the American right. In this conversation we cover the origins of American empire, the extent of U.S. global commitments, the future of NATO, competition with China, and the strategic direction of U.S. foreign policy in Trump’s second term.

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