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Lacey is an author, vlogger and spiritual researcher. We discuss her investigations into spiritual realities, her UFO sighting, and her experience of encountering an unidentified being. 

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Lacey's Book: https://www.amazon.com/Seek-Ye-Shall-Find-Gateway/dp/B0C9SDCGF6 

Lacey’s Being Encounter: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f9UE8rEw6c 

Links from Lacey: 

"What the Vedas say about extraterrestrial life?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3cJ2BIM4X4 

"The lower planets (understanding the Vedic Universe #3)"
https://youtu.be/WSa0v4-j-WI?si=MW9T4kXZgU7ARcd5 

"Higher and Lower Realms of the Vedic Universe (Devas and Asuras)"
https://youtu.be/8IMANoh4Mus?si=YH2B3rwzZQWhccbW 

"Upper Planets and Celestial Beings (Understanding the Vedic Universe #2)"
https://youtu.be/VABMTfz13AI?si=REvB5W3ozPbOv0Av 

"The Mysterious Universe of the Vedas (Vedic Cosmology, new series #1)"
https://youtu.be/IfU5ERlTqpQ?si=8N1Xfmv6goA56R8o 

Examples of the Spirit realm on TV: 

Green Snake Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iso7KRWhjNk (Asuraville) 

The Monkey King (which is about the Spirit realms) https://youtu.be/5vc_ndiUMcg?si=dV0dAqWVcjYKmeti 

Elemental Kingdoms/ Spirit realm: "Ice Fantasy"  (Kind of like Avatar the last Airbender with the Elements) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h86VphklkSE 

What happens in the Afterlife? "Defending your life" 1991 - https://www.bitchute.com/video/LKmo7L7A32h1 

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Deborah holds two master's degrees and built a career directing the administration of health science libraries and other specialized collections. She comes to the UAP topic as a curious learner with a passion for organizing information. 

In this episode, Deborah and Caleb lay out their rundown of introductory resources for people learning about UAP, from books to podcasts to supporting documents of various kinds. 

They've started gathering some of these documents in the UAP Resources page of wtufo.com here: https://wtufo.com/category/uap-resources/ 

 One correction: Caleb describes the New Paradigm Institute as an academic organization in this episode, and that's really more the province of its partner Ubiquity University. New Paradigm Institute is a nonprofit advocacy organization focused mostly on raising awareness of UAP and working toward military transparency, including by pursuing legal action. You can check out their site here: https://newparadigminstitute.org/ 

 And Ubiquity University here: https://www.ubiquityuniversity.org/ 

Deb's CV: https://library.missouri.edu/contactus/ward/ 

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Dr. Determann is the author of Islam, Science Fiction and Extraterrestrial Life: The Culture of Astrobiology in the Muslim World and a professor of history at Virginia Commonwealth University in Qatar. He joins WTUFO to explore intersections between the UAP phenomenon and Islamic thought.  

Islam, Science Fiction and Extraterrestrial Life: The Culture of Astrobiology in the Muslim World:  https://www.amazon.com/Islam-Science-Fiction-Extraterrestrial-Life/dp/0755650360 

Islamic Theology and Extraterrestrial Life: New Frontiers in Science and Religion: https://www.amazon.com/Islam-Science-Fiction-Extraterrestrial-Life/dp/0755601270 

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Michael Kelly uses the skills from his philosophy degree and graduate-level teaching assistant work to research reports of encounters with nonhuman beings. He is a research fellow at the Archives of the Impossible, though he appears here entirely in a personal capacity. 

We discuss the striking data that emerges from experiencer reports, from the kinds of beings people report meeting to the types of encounters they describe. Michael shares data graphics in the YouTube version of this episode, which you can find here https://youtu.be/WXpbtZJBTVQ 

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 Dr. Janis Whitlock is a developmental psychologist and research scientist emerita from Cornell University, renowned for her work in adolescent mental health and self-injury recovery. In recent years, she has expanded her scholarly pursuits into the realm of UAP studies. As a member of the leadership team of The Visible College, a volunteer collective of scholars dedicated to serious UAP research, Dr. Whitlock explores the intersections of human consciousness, trauma, and anomalous phenomena. Her interdisciplinary approach integrates scientific inquiry with spiritual and psychological perspectives, aiming to deepen our understanding of human potential and the broader implications of UAP encounters. 

We discuss mysterious communication with nonhuman beings, negotiating ontological updates with our peers, and how to keep our heads on straight as we navigate this time of intense change for our species. 

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Chad Wanless is an Engineering Technologist with over 30 years of experience in mechanical design, specializing in optics and lighting technologies. Professor Dave Palachik is a Senior Electrical & Electronic Engineering Technologist, National Director Emeritus of MUFON Canada, and an expert in infrared and electronic security systems. 

We discuss their book "Hidden in Plain Sight: Evidence of Exotic UFO Propulsion," which proposes that UAP create visible gravitational lensing around themselves. This theory provides a promising avenue for future research, and implies that these craft may use some form of spacetime warping drive. 

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Chad and Dave's Book: https://www.amazon.com/Hidden-Plain-Sight-Evidence-Propulsion-ebook/dp/B0F2N7KNKJ/ 

MUFON Canada https://mufoncanada.com/ 

UFO Video Described in Episode https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxhWDaA7qK4 

The Rubber Duck UFO Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcZ_Zb0GdI4 

Rob Freeman UFO World Explorer, Marysburgh episode https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcxBDE1ZeFo 

Harold White https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_G._White 

UFO DAP https://ufodap.com/ 

ACE - alien cosmic expo 

CSSAA (site under construction) https://cssaa.org/ 

Santilli - Dark Light  https://www.researchgate.net/publication/304339066_Apparent_Detection_via_New_Telescopes_with_Concave_Lenses_of_Otherwise_Invisible_Terrestrial_Entities_ITE 

Chad and Dave's Contact Page https://true-experiences.ca/ 

Chad on X https://x.com/CWanlessAuthor 

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Ralph is a distinguished professor, journalist and author with a long and varied career. He's contributed especially significantly to the UFO conversation in recent years with his bombshell reporting and his deep, detailed biography of John Mack, the Harvard psychiatrist who investigated abduction experiences. 

We discuss the experiencer phenomenon, the stubborn mysteries at the heart of UAP research, and how other journalists and news editors can better approach this subject with intellectual rigor. 

Ralph's Faculty Page: https://www.baruch.cuny.edu/profiles/faculty/Ralph-Blumenthal 

"The Believer" John Mack Biography: https://www.amazon.com/Believer-Alien-Encounters-Science-Passion/dp/0826362311 

Ralph's 2017 Times Story: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/16/us/politics/pentagon-program-ufo-harry-reid.html 

2019 Times Story: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/26/us/politics/ufo-sightings-navy-pilots.html 

2023 Debrief Story: https://thedebrief.org/intelligence-officials-say-u-s-has-retrieved-non-human-craft/ 

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Dr. Misra is an astrobiologist interested in understanding the origin, distribution, and future of life. His research includes the study of planetary habitability, extraterrestrial life, environmental ethics, and space settlement. 

Jacob contributes to monthly meetings with the Galileo Project, and he supports public funding for UAP research. We discuss the search for exobiology, the state of SETI and METI, and the emerging field of UAP science. 

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https://www.haqqmisra.net/home 

Blue Marble Space: 
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Dr. Bohlander is an international criminal lawyer. We discuss his book, Contact with Extraterrestrial Intelligence and Human Law. 

Dr. Bohlander's Staff Page: 
https://www.durham.ac.uk/staff/michael-bohlander/

Contact with ETI and Human Law: 
https://brill.com/display/title/68174

UAP and SETI Symposium: 
https://www.durham.ac.uk/departments/academic/law/news-and-events/events/2025/04/grounding-the-seti-and-uap-debate-law-evidence-and-anticipated-futures/ 

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Preston speaks with us entirely in a personal capacity, not representing his organization. 

Preston has built an impressive and varied career as a science communicator, including holding as a Senior Public Engagement Specialist & Story Strategist for NASA's Jet Propulsion Lab, where he helps communicate scientific discoveries from the cutting edge of astronomy. 

We discuss the solar system, the art of science narrative, and how to think clearly about UAP. We had a fun, thoughtful conversation. Hope you enjoy! 

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https://www.prestondyches.com/skywatching 

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