The twins run the gamut from Father's Day to misheard lyrics to tripping in Hollywood, sobriety, books, stolen Ray-Bans and much more - including an unearthed and digitized song from a 1989 gig at what became The Viper Room in Hollywood.

Above: Twins at LuLu's North Myrtle Beach

SHOW NOTES:

0:00 - "I Call Your Name" by Chris Yale - live at The Central (Viper Room) Hollywood, 1989

3:13 - Greetings and about the song / Kirby and the Gators / More about The Central

5:40 - Tempo and live performance / Playing in the moment

7:13 - Misheard lyrics / "Sweet Caroline" / Neil Diamond / J. Cole / R.E.M. / Michael Stipe

11:54 - Being misunderstood / Roger's blog post about that

12:43 - Father's Day, again / Our adult children / Chris' son-in-law / Chris' grandchildren Elijah and Miles / Dad Carl Yale / Dead Dads

15:00 - Dad taught us how to read / "We Three" & "We Three and Scottie" / Dad sang to us / Tap lessons

16:30 - Sobriety

17:58 - Tripping in Hollywood / Our friend the parking meter

19:41 - Dad died on our 21st birthday / "Man's Search for Meaning" / Viktor Frankl

21:07 - Loaning books that were never returned / Joe Smith, "Off the Record" / "South Carolina: A History" by Walter Edgar

22:29 - The stolen Ray-Bans / The almost-stolen Walkman / Good money after bad

25:27 - On taking action

26:28 - The baby twins at LuLu's North Myrtle Beach / Twin life / Dad would be 106 / Superstition, pseudo-religiosity and flawed thinking

30:15 - "Only Yesterday: An Informal History of the 1920s" by Frederick Lewis Allen and Guy Foster / "Crossing to Safety" by Wallace Stegner / "The Letters of Noel Coward" edited by Barry Day / Book Buyers Charlotte / Cats in bookstores / Blue Bicycle Books Charleston / "White Bicycles: Making Music in the 1960s" by Joe Boyd

34:00 - Digitizing

34:09 - Being foiled in dreams

35:48 - Andre De Shields

Frank Horn is more like a brother than our nephew. He's been busy with his career as an assistant Director on television commercials for nearly 30 years. This conversation runs the gamut from Miami to Hollywood, a life in the business, early influences, and the origins of a "crazy" board game - plus a newly-digitized song from the archive.

SHOW NOTES:

0:00 - "Is That What It Is" by Roger Yale

4:09 - Greetings and about the song / Stax/Volt Records

5:28 - About Frank Horn

7:38 - Greetings, Frank / State of affairs in Miami and Myrtle Beach

9:20 - Chasing roller coasters

11:47 - University of Miami Film Program / Frank's Career in production / Film business versus music business

13:00 - Choosing film over architecture

13:51 - Making movies as a kid

16:42 - Student films / "Future Tense" / Universal Studios Florida Backlot

17:49 - More about Frank's career / Moving to Hollywood, 1992 / Universal Studios Hollywood - working on the backlot / "Airwolf" / Spielberg and Amblin Entertainment

20:02 - Moving back to Miami, 1997 / Getting into commercial work

21:01 - Role of the Assistant Director

22:07 - Shooting / Production trips

23:25 - "Miami Vice" / Key Biscayne / Virginia Key / "Jimbo's" / "Wild Things" / "Who Let the Dogs Out" / Baha Men

26:25 - Miami as a production hub / "Gentle Ben" / "Flipper" / Greenwich Studios / Ivan Tors

27:50 - Childhood trip to Universal Studios Hollywood / early influences and "that's fake" / Carl Yale - "Papa Carl" / More about working on that backlot / "Jurassic Park"

30:58 - Still a fan: Quirky celebrity encounters / Whitney Houston's makeup chair / Bobby Brown / Iggy Pop / Debbie Harry / Sick Stooges / Iggy and the Stooges

36:07 - Hollywood experience / Sierra Bonita Avenue and Sunset Boulevard / Rock 'n' Roll Ralphs / Rock 'n' Roll Denny's / The Drinking Denny's / Gower Gulch

38:26 - Burbank / Screenland Drive / Warner Brothers Ranch

40:17 - "Hollywood Lives" / Incubus / Jamie Kennedy

40:54 - Settling in Miami

41:40 - Coconut Grove / St. Hugh Catholic School

42:06 - "Star Wars" at the Chinese Theatre / More like brothers / More about "Papa" Carl Yale's influence / "Annie" at the Pantages Theatre / The Magic Hotel and the switchboard

45:08 - Origins of Crazy Trans: The Game of Loco-Motion / About the game

48:06 - The Crazy Trains jingle sessions

52:49 - Marketing Crazy Trains

56:25 - Parting shots and future plans

57:37 - Crazy Trains jingle

The twins welcome author, academic and rocker Joe Oestreich, a founding member of Columbus, Ohio-based band Watershed.

Joe is currently chair of the English Department at Coastal Carolina University. He's got four books under his belt and his shorter work has been widely published.

Watershed is still rocking after more than three decades. Joe discusses the band's trajectory, lasting friendships, Jim Steinman, Cheap Trick and much more. Included: Watershed's new single.

Photo: Joe Oestreich by Easton Selby

SHOW NOTES

0:00 - "Bleeding on the Blank Page" - by Watershed

3:05 - About Joe Oestreich / Coastal Carolina University / Watershed

5:35 - "Hitless Wonder" / "Rock On, Mr. Chips" / Andre Pope

8:55 - Greetings, Joe!

9:20 - Watershed 36 years in / "Extended Player" EP / About "Bleeding on the Blank Page" / The video shoot / Mike McDermott

12:25 - More Coastal Carolina University / Kate Faber Oestreich

13:35 - Early visits to South Carolina with Watershed / The Ohio State University / Rockafellas' Columbia / Art Boerke / Epic Records / "Twister" / Jim Steinman / The Smithereens / The Headroom Myrtle Beach

15:25 - House of Blues Myrtle Beach / Opening for Insane Clown Posse / Juggalos / The Scranton Incident

17:55 - More Coastal Carolina University / Children Beckett and Ellie / Tenure-track jobs in academia

18:55 - About creative nonfiction

22:05 - The origins of "Hitless Wonder" / Joe's academic journey / Becoming a writer

25:44 - "Partisans" / Van trouble in Mexico and the kindness of strangers

29:04 - "Lines of Scrimmage" (coauthored with Scott Pleasant)

31:11 - "Waiting to Derail" (coauthored with Thomas O'Keefe) / Ryan Adams and Whiskeytown / #MeToo allegations against Adams

33:58 - Watershed - going deep / Colin Gawel / Herb Schupp / Dave Masica / Watershed albums and other recorded works

37:08 - "Econoline" tours then and now / Chasing the next good song

38:50 - Watershed and Cheap Trick / Opening for Cheap Trick / Why Isn't Cheap Trick in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and eventual induction / Cheap Trick Soundman Bill Kozy / Detroit band Speedball

43:04 - Chris talks about Cheap Trick opening for KISS in Los Angeles, 1977.

44:41 - Watershed's Hollywood Experience / Continental Hyatt House (Riot House) / House of Blues Hollywood / Dan Aykroyd takes out the trash in a tux / Epic/Sony meeting

48:56 - Watershed and Jim Steinman / Richard Griffiths, Epic Records / David Sonnenberg / Downtime Bar Manhattan

53:50 - Reactions from Joe's students about Watershed

55:24 - Watershed stage setup

57:28 - Future plans in writing and music / Producer Tim Patalan / Sponge

59:12 - Shout-out to Elijah

The twins reunite with longtime friend, singer/songwriter Lee Newman at long last - chatting about everything from their times in Hollywood together and Lee's music and years of performing in Hollywood's top venues - to his legendary great-grandfathers Jimmy McHugh and Eddie Cantor, his friendship with Harry Nilsson and much more - including an original tune from Lee's archive.

SHOW NOTES:

0:00 - "Brown Eyed Boy" by Lee Newman

2:02 - Greetings and about Lee Newman / Eddie Cantor / Jimmy McHugh

5:40 - Welcome, Lee

6:33 - About "Brown Eyed Boy" / UCLA / Harry Nilsson / "The Point" / "Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In" / Dick Martin / Bill Bixby / "The Courtship of Eddie's Father"

9:10 - "Relatively Singing" / Original Cast Records 

The Roxy / Whisky a Go Go

10:08 - "Merrily We Roll Along" by Eddie Cantor is best known as the theme for Warner Bros. Merrie Melodies cartoons.

11:29 - Growing up around great music - within the family and outside of it. / Nilsson's influence on Lee / Nilsson's stage fright / Working on "The Point" in Los Angeles in 1991 (Oblio) / Jimmy Webb / Nilsson's death

16:14 - Preaching the gospel of Nilsson at Hollywood High / Copper Penny / Bell Coffee Shop / Snow White Coffee Shop / "Liverpool"

17:18 - Meeting Lee for the first time / Magic Hotel (now Magic Castle Hotel / Our friend and bandmate, Pascal Srabian (RIP) / Early gigs with our band, Yale

18:45 - Lee as band manager for Yale / Winning the battle of the bands at Gazzarri's / Bill Gazzarri / More about the early days

21:53 - More Jimmy Webb / "Tunesmith: Inside the Art of Songwriting"

23:12 - Jimmy McHugh Music / Lucille Myers passes the torch to Lee

25:18 - Running Jimmy McHugh Music and what that entails

27:00 - About "I Can't Give You Anything But Love"

27:48 - About Jimmy McHugh / Gershwin and McHugh / The Piano / "I'm in the Mood for Love" / "On the Sunny Side of the Street" / McHugh in Hollywood / Timeline

34:31 - McHugh-related projects

35:15 - Eddie Cantor conquered every medium / Humanitarian - March of Dimes

36:24 - "Happy Together: The 60s Songbook" / SLK Records

Rod Stewart / Producer Richard Perry / Producer Lauren Wild / Sunset Plaza / "Happy Together" moment / May Pang / John Lennon's acoustic demo of "Help" as a ballad

42:20 - Sea change in the music business / Tower Records closure / Napster

44:27 - The fate of the Cinerama Dome

45:12 - Find Lee's music on Amazon, iTunes and at Amoeba Music Hollywood

45:40 - COVID-19 in Hollywood and Myrtle Beach / Dodger Stadium / Angel Stadium / Magic Castle Reopens / La Poubelle / More Magic Hotel memories / Robert Morse / Pantages Theatre / "Hamilton"

49:29 - Wrapping things up

The twins speculate about whether or not certain celebrities could be a-holes, but they turn the lens on themselves, too. Also in this episode: Taking mental breaks from listening to certain bands, "Big Lebowski" f-bombs, road trips, Ram Dass, Buckminster Fuller and much more - including another tune from the archive.

SHOW NOTES:

0:00 - "Angel of Mercy" by Chris Yale

3:39 - Greetings

4:42 - Is Chris an a-hole? / Self-talk & hurt feelings / Should Chris care?

7:55 - A-Hole or Not: The Game - in which we discuss more than two dozen celebrities that could be a-holes. But maybe it's just us. / Steve Miller's an a-hole, according to The Black Keys.

23:11 - Music we don't listen to much anymore - or stopped and then resumed / more potential a-holes

26:58 - F-bombs in "The Big Lebowski"

27:08 - Recent gig at LuLu's North Myrtle Beach / Pete Townshend knocks Abbie Hoffman off stage / Daltrey versus Townshend

28:40 - Bike week in Myrtle Beach / Gas Shortage

29:18 - Roger's mic placement issues and upcoming solo gig at Lulu's North Myrtle Beach / Solo anxiety

31:20 - Babysitting Miles

32:10 - Responses other than "you're welcome" / Removing the ego

33:10 - Ram Dass / Buckminster Fuller / "The Crack in the Cosmic Egg" by Joseph Chilton Pearce /Michael Benner / KLOS

36:31 - Stuckey's / "Them badges all the same, boy..." / Road trips

39:42 - Are we Yankees?

41:07 - "Desiderata"

42:18 - About "Angel of Mercy" / Still wondering if Chris is an a-hole

The twins' gabfest this week touches on System of a Down, Rick Rubin and Cheap Trick - Hollywood's wrecking ball casualties, tweakers, Bike Week in Myrtle Beach and much more - including a gem from the archive.

SHOW NOTES:

0:00 - "The Story's End" by Roger Yale

3:16 - Greetings and about the song / Young people writing about love and loss

5:00 - Rick Rubin

5:55 - Broken Record Podcast / Malcolm Gladwell / Serj Tankian / System of a Down / "Toxicity"

7:06 - Brian Koppelman / The Moment Podcast / Tom Werman / Cheap Trick / Motley Crue / Molly Hatchet

8:09 - Dream Police / George Martin

8:41 - Sirius XM plays the same old stuff - the seep cuts are shallow / Curators

9:49 - People who want you to listen to stuff "right now"

11:02 - Our treasure trove of tapes and CDs / Dave Slusher

11:38 - Wherewithal / Motivation / Speed and so-called projects

12:38 - No tweakers allowed / Tweaking with John Blyth Barrymore

14:10 - More "Toxicity" / Serj Tankian / Armenian communities in Hollywood and Glendale, CA

14:15 - Alison Martino tweet / Vintage Los Angeles/ The fate of a block on the Sunset Strip: Viper Room / Terner's Liquor

16:04 - Wrecking ball casualties in Hollywood: Ranch Market & Old Spaghetti Factory / Hollywood Center project

16:49 - Roger's blog post about another casualty: Peyton Hall / Yashica MAT 124G / Leo Gorcey / Esther Williams / McLean Stevenson

21:04 - Dad had a carpeted bathroom and a cushioned toilet seat. We weren't fans.

21:53 - Garden of Allah Villas / Hollywood Blvd. as a residential address

22:39 - Roger's gold chain - a gift from Antonio

23:48 - Crossroads of the World / Blessed Sacrament School / Catholic college prep / Daniel Murphy High School / Yeshiva Aharon Yaakov-Ohr

24:48 - Surprised by family at last week's gig at LuLu's North Myrtle Beach

25:53 - We lost 20 minutes of gold

26:45 - Bike Week in Myrtle Beach / "Welcome Bikers" / Beaver Bar / The Rat Hole / Suck Bang Blow / Indoor burnouts / David Allan Coe / HB Spokes

29:51 - KK Downing book / "Writing Creative Nonfiction" / Robert Lowell / Walter Martin, the Bible Answer Man

The twins discuss what drove them - what defined them when they were younger. Perhaps getting reconnected with that is the key to a more meaningful life now.

And Judas Priest, chemistry sets, Ken Kesey, Sherlock Holmes, stamps, comics and much more, including a gem from the archive.

PHOTO: Yale Brothers at House of Blues Myrtle Beach (PHOTO: Mike Heidtman)

SHOW NOTES:

0:00 - Chris messing around in GarageBand

1:41 - Greetings / K.K. Downing book / Judas Priest

2:45 - More about Downing / If you cut an old rocker's hair / Judas Priest / Rock 'n' Roll Church / Living After Midnight

4:28 - Remembering who we are / Buster and his cone / Sentient dog / Scientology

6:03 - Roger's blog post: Remember Who You Are

6:32 - "Clear" / Scientology and Chris' Scientologist girlfriend back in the day

7:07 - Roger reads part of his blog post: Remember Who You Are

9:34 - Comic shopping in Hollywood / Chris liked chemistry

9:45 - The Yale Brothers at 17

11:03 - Younger Chris: Sherlock Holmes / Chemistry sets / drums / Magic / Stamps / Secret Crime Fighting Service

11:23 - Chris' stamp collection / Mint never hinged / Old stamp collectors / Columbian Exposition versus Colombian Exposition

13:45 - Chemistry sets as presents

14:55 - Riffing on alchemy

15:25 - Chris' drums / First talks about playing music / Later talks about starting a band / The move to Los Angeles / School bands / Steve Kobashigawa and the glockenspiel

17:54 - Are we who we thought we would be?

18:11 - More from Roger's blog post / Our first band with Pascal Srabian / Bla Bla Cafe Studio City / Gazzarri's Hollywood / Lee Newman / Jimmy McHugh / Eddie Cantor

20:03 - Ditching at "Liverpool"

20:31 - More about Pascal (RIP) / Did we work hard enough? / Variables / 20/20 Hindsight / Collaboration / This podcast / "If You Walk Away" By Chris and Roger Yale / Influences

25:00 - Chris' definition of "hindsight"

26:30 - Who Chris wanted to be

27:29 - Rising above it

28:26 - Tune In, Turn On, Drop Out. Is Chris a hippie? / Sir versus dude

32:04 - More about K.K. Downing / Rob Halford

33:17 - Punk ethos versus corporate rock

33:48 - Divided only by ideas

34:57 - Getting on the bus / Ken Kesey / tripping for the first time / "Are we here?" /"The Bible Bus"

36:55 - Chris gets out of pulling weeds

38:56 - "Rise Above It"

The twins talk about the passing of Les McKeown and Jim Steinman - and continue down a rabbit hole of memories from the Magic Hotel, random thoughts about judgmental drunks, Oscar contenders, digitizing cassettes and more - including another original tune from the archive.

PHOTO: Chris with Les McKeown - Magic Hotel circa 1979

SHOW NOTES:

0:00 - "Dirty Blue" by Chris Yale

3:00 - Greetings and about the song / Roland TD-4S Drum Kit

3:50 - Chris' hair / Nobody understands Chris / Roger's back hair

4:55 - Roz not Roz

5:28 - Les McKeown dead at 65 / Magic Hotel (Now Magic Castle Hotel) / The friends we made when Les stayed at the hotel

6:43 - Nylon jumpsuits / Bla Bla Cafe / Pop world 1979 / Duran Duran / Pantages Theatre

8:00 - More about Les McKeown / Ego Trip / Big in Japan / All Washed Up / Budokan / Tartan Army

8:50 - Busting our niece Cathy kissing a Shaun Cassidy album.

9:15 - Adventures with our new friends / Chasing Bowie / Trip to Big Bear Lake

9:45 Weed culture then and now

10:44 - Drunks judging stoners

11:23 - "You became 'The Man'" / Hippies / Slackers / Is Chris a hippie?

12:51 - Roger's nose hair

13:14 - How to use a coaster

14:00 - Our first band / Uncle Roger at the Magic Hotel / The Babys / John Waite

14:54 - More hippies / Chris apologizes / Haight-Ashbury after the Summer of Love / Charles Manson / Drugs and drinking

17:51 - As good as you are going to feel all day

18:25 - Jim Steinman dead at 73 / Bat Out of Hell album / Watershed / Joe Oestreich / Hitless Wonder / Rock On, Mr. Chips

20:15 - Steinman songs / Bonnie Tyler / Meat Loaf / Celine Deon / Paradise by the Dashboard Light / Bat Out of Hell on Broadway

22:37 - Who would or would have produced us / Steve Lillywhite / Nick Lowe /  Gus Dudgeon / Glyn Johns

24:05 - Roger's crappy cassette-to-MP3 converter / WAV versus MP3

25:25 - Chris begrudgingly shares his digitizing knowledge

28:01 - Hanging out with Miles, aka Squish / Elijah / Katie and Bill (Chris' daughter's family)

30:02 - 12 Rules for Life (Peterson) / The Year of Magical Thinking (Didion) /Alone with God (McAlpine) / The Gift (Hafiz) / Encyclopedia Walking (Kanis) 

31:19 - Oscar contenders - One Night in Miami / Mank / Sound of Metal / Judas and the Black Messiah

32:40 - Coconut Grove

33:11 - Being at home versus being at work

33:40 - More Uncle Roger

34.20 - Our friends at House of Blues Myrtle Beach

35.25 - Shout-out to the friends we made during the Les McKeown days

ArcLight Cinemas and Pacific Theatres are closing 300 screens in California, including the iconic Cinerama Dome in Hollywood. The twins discuss this sad news with writer Brendan Wright, a longtime friend who worked for a time at the Dome. They also discuss the trend toward movie streaming, Brendan's time in Hollywood and his comprehensive annual Biggie Awards.

Photo: Jay L. Clendenin/Los Angeles Times

SHOW NOTES:

0:00 "Tired" by Chris Yale

2:04 - Greetings and about the song

2:55 - 300 movie screens are going dark in California

3:11 - Hollywood Reporter - "ArcLight Cinemas and Pacific Theatres to Close"

4:35 - Cinerama Dome / "2001: A Space Odyssey" / "Back to the Future" / "Yentl" / Roger E. Mosley / Geodesic Dome

6:07 - Petition to Save the Cinerama Dome

6:20 - Introducing Brendan Wright / Biggie's Place

7:45 - Initial thoughts on theater closings

8:09 - Brendan's time in Hollywood

8:25 - Natick, MA / North Hollywood / In-N-Out Burger

10:05 - Working at the ArcLight / The daily trip to work

11:27 - More about the ArcLight / Cinerama Dome

14:00 Celebrities and industry types

15:11 - Coordinating events / logistics

15:15 - Cinerama Dome versus the Chinese Theatre / "Star Wars" at the Chinese Theatre, 1977

17:46 - "Dreamgirls" / Jennifer Hudson / Eddie Murphy

18:22 - Applause and actually reading the credits - a Hollywood thing

19:43 - Learning from mistakes - what to do next time in Hollywood

20:50 - About Biggie's Place / Biggie Awards versus Academy Awards

22:10 - Origins of the Biggie Awards / "Saving Private Ryan" / "Shakespeare In Love"

23:23 - COVID-19 and movies / Ben Affleck / "The Way Back" / "Tenet"

24:50 - Protecting the Dome

25:55 - The state of the movie industry / Oscar qualification / "Mank" / "The Irishman"

27:26 - ArcLight kettle corn / Reserving seats / high-end food and beer

28:38 - Alamo Drafthouse Austin / "A Star is Born"

30:57 - www.biggiesplace.net / Instagram: @bwimages

31:37 - "Judas and the Black Messiah" / "Nomadland" / "Sound of Metal"

32:07 - The problem with streaming / Attention spans / Distraction

34:00 - The dreaded word: Content

35:02 - Padron cigars

The twins are not fighting. It might seem like that, though. This episode covers everything from health and fitness to guitars and pencils - from CrossFit to the mountains of Southwest Virginia, Billy Preston to Paul Williams and so much more - including a cool instrumental from Chris.

SHOW NOTES:

0:00 - "Airwolf Blitzer" - Instrumental by Chris Yale

1:43 - Greetings and about the instrumental / Logic Pro

2:47 - We're not fighting / Fuente Anejo 888

4:00 - Health & fitness / Chris' flip-flops / Achilles heels

5:01 - Eating seeds as a pastime activity

5:35 - Kretschmer

6:05 - Roger's son and coach / More fitness / Nutrition / Insect protein / Cricket protein / Buddy Holly's Crickets

7:45 - Roger's son competed in Fittest of the Coast / CrossFit Wando

8:52 - Riffing on CrossFit

9:23 - Coloring and hunting for Easter Eggs

9:35 - Neil Young "After the Gold Rush"

10:05 - Harry Nilsson "Without You" / Eric Carmen "All By Myself" / Celine Dion "All By Myself" / Eminem "Without Me"

11:10 - Paul Williams interviewed by Brian Koppelman

12:10 - Wytheville, VA and "The Pencil"

12:57 - Pencil quality check / Dixon Ticonderoga

13:35 - Quality and the Global Marketplace

13:30 - Quality and guitars / Chris' guitars / Quality can be found everywhwere

16:32 - Returning guitars / More guitar talk / SansAmp Acoustic Flyrig / Sansabelt pants

19:41 - Popeil Pocket Fisherman

20:45 - Recent gigs at LuLu's North Myrtle Beach / The mix / PreSonus / QSC

23:49 - "Let's unpack this" / "Let's stick a pin in this" / "Hey there" / Jen Psaki

24: 56 - Busy Myrtle Beach / Vaccine talk / Hygiene / Chemicals

26:50 - Inner Space ride at Disneyland back in the day / Billy Preston "Outta Space"

27:48 - Chris' session with Billy Preston / Joe Hicks / Roger Dollarhide / Paramount Recording Studios

29:37 - Drinking in Hollywood / Four Aces / Frolic Room / Firefly / Old Drunks / Drinking at lunch / The Old Spaghetti Factory with Mark Mulkeen / The People Tree / Gower Gulch

33:22 - BUZZ WTR / New booze versus old booze / Seltzers / White Claw / Jameson

34:08 - Roger's daughter is a Hibernophile

35:02 - Freestyling versus talking points

36:15 - 33 Episodes already / Jesus died at 33 / Elton John "21 at 33"

DeBarge "All This Love"

37:20 - Happy birthday to our friend Stan Obrycki