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When something painful happens, it is easy to wonder: Did I do something wrong? Is God punishing me? Bobby McGraw sits down with Suzanne Nadell to talk about that question through the lens of her own story, including two separate cancer diagnoses, years of uncertainty, and a faith that changed along the way.

Suzanne shares honestly about being angry with God, powering through pain, and learning to slow down enough to process what was actually happening. She also reflects on how suffering clarified her sense of purpose and taught her to receive help from others. For anyone facing a diagnosis, disappointment, or season that simply feels unfair, this conversation offers a reminder that hardship is not proof that God has abandoned you.

●     A painful season is not proof that God is punishing you.

●     You can be angry, frustrated, or confused with God and still keep turning toward Him.

●     God can bring good from painful circumstances without pretending the pain itself is good.

●     Sometimes healing includes slowing down instead of immediately trying to fix or outrun what hurts.

●     Other people matter in hard seasons. Let them show up, help, listen, and carry some of the weight.

00:00 - Welcome to Suzanne Nadell

03:43 - Growing Up With Faith That Felt Like Rules

06:51 - Finding a Faith of Her Own

08:03 - Suzanne’s First Cancer Diagnosis

10:25 - Facing Cancer as a Young Mom

12:34 - What Cancer Did to Her Faith

14:52 - A Second Cancer Diagnosis

16:20 - When Suzanne Got Angry With God

18:24 - What She Did With the Anger

21:02 - The Moment She Finally Stopped and Felt It

24:23 - Is God Punishing Me?

26:14 - What Romans 8:28 Really Meant to Suzanne

28:23 - How Suffering Changed Her Faith

30:14 - Following the Nudges She Had Ignored

32:04 - Why God’s Timing Can Feel So Slow

34:31 - What to Do in the Middle of a Diagnosis

37:22 - Letting Other People Show Up

40:09 - How Suzanne’s Calling Became Clearer

42:25 - She Leads Church and Finding Your People

44:12 - Remember That You Are Loved

●     Wired to Lead - Suzanne’s book about leadership lessons she learned in newsrooms and what those lessons taught her about leading in the church.

●     SuzanneNadell.com - Suzanne’s website with information about her book, speaking, and current work.

●     To All of It - Suzanne’s program for women navigating faith, family, and career.

●     She Leads Church - A community and conference for Christian women in leadership. Visit SheLeadsChurch.com.

●     CaringBridge - Suzanne used CaringBridge as an online journal during both cancer experiences.

●     Rooted - A church program Suzanne was participating in around the time of her second cancer diagnosis.

●     Romans 8:28 - A passage Suzanne says became central to how she understood God working through both the good and painful parts of her story.

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What does God want me to do with my life, especially when the path I’m on no longer feels right? Bobby McGraw sits down with Dr. Jennifer Keitt to talk about success, purpose, waiting, emotions, and learning to recognize God’s direction when life stops making sense.

Jennifer takes us back to age 27, when she had checked every box but still found herself deeply dissatisfied. What followed was what she calls her “summer of chaos,” a season that changed the direction of her life. She shares how God used waiting, trial and error, Scripture, relationships, and even disorientation to shape her next steps. For anyone wondering whether they are behind, missing God, or simply unsure what to do next, this conversation offers a different way to think about finding purpose.

●     Success does not automatically mean you are living the life you were made for.

●     Feeling disoriented can be an invitation to pay attention to what is happening beneath the surface.

●     Hearing God often looks like Scripture, wise questions, trial and error, peace, and taking the next step.

●     Purpose usually unfolds over time rather than arriving as a complete roadmap.

●     Your emotions can provide important clues as you discern what is happening in your life.

00:00 - Welcome to Dr. Jennifer Keitt

00:49 - When Success Still Feels Empty

03:06 - A New Faith in a Confusing Season

05:26 - The Summer of Chaos

07:17 - When Aloneness Becomes an Invitation

08:28 - Finding a Different Path

10:22 - What Does It Mean to Hear God?

12:11 - Abraham, Transition, and Learning to Go

15:21 - What Abraham Teaches Us About Waiting

16:08 - Why Time Is Not the Enemy

19:16 - How Jennifer’s Purpose Kept Expanding

23:18 - Why Bigger Audiences Did Not Grow Her Faith

24:33 - When Success Feels Empty Again

26:19 - When God’s Math Does Not Make Sense

28:39 - What Emerging Adults Are Asking

32:46 - Learning to Lead Yourself First

36:25 - What to Do When You Do Not Know Your Next Step

39:38 - God, Emotions, and Paying Attention

41:11 - What Jennifer Wishes She Knew at 27

42:31 - Learning to Wait for Something New

44:50 - Where to Connect With Jennifer

47:57 - A Final Word for the Journey

●     Keitt Institute - Jennifer’s work helping people grow in self-awareness, leadership, emotional health, and personal development. Visit KeittInstitute.org.

●     JenniferKeitt.com - Jennifer’s personal website and another place to connect with her work.

●     Jolt Academy - A program from the Keitt Institute focused on personal development and understanding how you think, respond, and lead.

●     The Codex - Described by Jennifer as a spiritual operating system designed to help people understand how they connect with God and grow spiritually.

●     Genesis 12 - Abraham’s story of leaving what was familiar and following God without knowing the full destination.

●     Isaiah - Jennifer references God doing a “new thing” as part of what she is learning in her current season of waiting.

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Why does God seem angry, violent, or even mean in parts of the Old Testament while Jesus seems so loving? Bobby McGraw sits down with Old Testament scholar and Oklahoma Baptist University president Dr. Heath Thomas to wrestle honestly with that question.

Heath argues that we often begin the biblical story in the wrong place. Before God is described as judge, He is revealed as the Creator and giver of life. From there, the Old Testament tells a much larger story of rescue, blessing, discipline, and restoration. Along the way, Heath explores difficult questions about war, judgment, poetry, doubt, and why following Jesus does not mean having every answer. Sometimes, he says, Jesus is less a simple answer and more the clue we keep following.

●     The Old Testament begins with God as Creator and giver of life, not as an angry judge.

●     God’s relationship with Israel is part of a larger rescue story meant to bring blessing to the world.

●     Difficult passages about war and judgment make more sense when read within the Bible’s larger story.

●     Faith does not require having an answer to every question. Sometimes “I don’t know” is an honest place to begin.

●     Much of the Old Testament is poetry, meant to shape how we see reality rather than simply give us information.

00:00 - Welcome to Heath Thomas

02:01 - All of Life, All for Jesus

04:03 - From Rules to Relationship

08:39 - Jesus Is the Clue

10:22 - What Does a Relationship With God Look Like?

14:13 - Personality and the Way We Experience God

16:36 - How Heath Became an Old Testament Scholar

19:20 - Why Does God Seem Angry in the Old Testament?

21:49 - Israel and God’s Rescue Mission

25:18 - A Kingdom of Priests and a Blessing to the World

27:36 - What About War in the Old Testament?

30:25 - Starting the Story With the God of Life

33:03 - Why Did God Allow Us to Sin?

36:10 - Faith When You Do Not Have the Answer

39:03 - Why, How Long, and the Presence of God

41:24 - Are We Reading the Old Testament Wrong?

42:52 - Why So Much of the Old Testament Is Poetry

47:42 - Where to Start Exploring the Old Testament

48:21 - Where to Connect With Heath

●     The 30-Minute Bible - Recommended as an accessible first step for understanding the larger story of Scripture.

●     Reading the Old Testament as Christian Scripture - Heath’s book exploring the Old Testament, the character of God, and its connection to the New Testament.

●     Oklahoma Baptist University - Heath serves as president. Visit okbu.edu.

●     Abraham Kuyper - Dutch theologian referenced in Heath’s discussion of Christ’s lordship over every area of life.

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In this first episode of You Asked, Let’s Talk, Bobby McGraw sits down with author and speaker Mark Matlock to talk about spiritual curiosity, church hurt, hypocrisy, and why Jesus is still worth another look. Mark shares how his posture toward faith conversations shifted from quick, combative answers to relational honesty, and he reflects on the difference between believing Christian ideas and actually knowing Jesus.

For anyone who has been wounded by church, disappointed by religious people, or unsure where to take their questions, this conversation offers a gentle reminder: keep your eyes on Jesus.

• Spiritual curiosity is not something to fear. It can be a doorway into deeper faith.
• Faith is more than knowing beliefs about Jesus. It is learning to trust and follow Him.
• Jesus spoke truth without humiliating, alienating, or punishing people with His words.
• Church hurt can go deep, affecting our ability to trust both people and God.
• You do not have to have every answer to take one honest next step toward faith.

00:00 - Welcome to Mark Matlock

02:39 - Magic, India, and Relational Faith

06:19 - From “God Said It” to Honest Curiosity

09:15 - Believing Ideas vs. Knowing Jesus

11:30 - Killing the Inner Pharisee

15:09 - Why We Cannot Grow Alone

17:31 - What It Means to Trust Jesus

23:17 - The Image of God and the Ache for More

27:15 - When Church People Let You Down

30:17 - Hypocrisy, Humility, and Community

33:00 - Will You Let Me Be Not Okay?

38:15 - Advice for the Spiritually Curious

40:42 - Alpha and Safe Places to Ask Questions

42:25 - The Longing for Something More

43:53 - What Mark Would Say to Someone Hurt by Church

45:32 - Where to Connect with Mark

• Alpha - Mentioned as a helpful, no-pressure place to explore spiritual questions.
• WisdomHacker.com - Mark’s work on biblical wisdom and everyday life.
• The Wisdom Hacker on Instagram - Mentioned by Mark as a way to connect.
• Mark Matlock on Facebook - Mark engages in conversations with people from different backgrounds.

Listen to the full episode of You Asked, Let’s Talk, follow the podcast, and send this episode to someone who may still be carrying questions about faith, church hurt, or whether Jesus is worth trusting again.