Perry and Shawna welcome JD Grear, Pastor of The Summit Church in Durham, NC.  JD explains why he said the “sinners prayer” over 5000 times in his life.  Hint:  He wasn’t sure about his salvation.  Shawna shares about why God would have to kick himself out of heaven to not let you in.  Station manager Jack Haveman joins the show to share about a crisis of faith in his journey with Jesus as he wrestled with deep doubts about his salvation.  He shares the bible passage that went off like a thunderclap in his heart to give him peace.  And Tim Keller, founding pastor of Redeemer Church in NYC shares that if you’re in Christ, not even you can separate yourself from God’s love!