What is a "Christian nationalist" and how do you know if you might be one?

That's the question Garrick Bailey and Timothy Paul Jones ask distinguished American historian Thomas Kidd. Along the way, Garrick and Timothy discover that the answer isn't nearly as scary as some people seem to think. Garrick does, however, suggest a rather scary image that involves Jesus, a bald eagle, and an American flag.* In the end, Dr. Kidd refuses to be distracted by Garrick’s bizarre suggestion and instead takes your intrepid cohosts to a place where few people seem to go: a calm and rational discussion of Christian nationalism and proper patriotism. Garrick and Timothy also manage to unearth a long-lost truth about Dr. Kidd's past predilections for Led Zeppelin.

During the Raiders of Church History segment, a deluge of dad jokes threatens to drown the dynamic duo, as a dead hand from Hungary slaps a live duck from Great Britain. Also, "Cüddïë Dück" would be a great name for an English emo punk band.

* ... which Garrick and Timothy would probably turn into a really hilarious image using an AI image generator and send to subscribers if Timothy wasn't so Reformed that he rejects the Seventh Ecumenical Council and steadfastly refuses to acknowledge images of Jesus.

Timothy Paul Jones, Ph.D., is C. Edwin Gheens Professor of Christian Ministry at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. He teaches in the areas of family ministry and applied apologetics. He has authored or edited more than a dozen books, including Why Should I Trust the Bible?, The God Who Goes Before You, Perspectives on Family Ministry, In Church as It Is in Heaven, and Christian History Made Easy.

Garrick Bailey is lead pastor of Substance Church in Ashland, Ohio. Garrick was born in the frozen lands of Wisconsin but spent most of his life as a Texan. Before coming to Substance, he served as the director of adult discipleship and home groups at The Village Church. He and his wife Bethany have three children. 

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