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  • The Power Couple Conversation: What It Really Takes ft. Micah & Lauren McQueen

    Everyone loves the idea of a power couple.

    The ambition. The success. The travel. The shared vision. Two people building big lives and making it look exciting from the outside.

    But behind the scenes, there is a lot more going on.

    There are hard conversations. Different schedules. Money decisions. Personal growth seasons. Moments of misalignment. And the real work of learning how to support each other without competing, controlling, or losing yourselves in the process.

    In this episode, Jeff and Sam sit down with their close friends Lauren and Micah McQueen for a real conversation about what being a power couple actually means.

    Micah shares his journey from sleeping on an air mattress and struggling to make roofing work, to becoming a co-owner of a nationwide company with dozens of branches across the country. Lauren shares how she started building a business at 19, created six-figure success at a young age, and learned how mentorship, personal growth, and leadership shaped the woman she is today.

    Together, they talk about marriage, ambition, business, money, support, routines, faith, growth, and what it takes to keep choosing each other when life is full.

    This conversation is honest, funny, practical, and deeply encouraging for anyone building something, loving someone who is building something, or trying to grow alongside another strong person without drifting apart.

    Because being a power couple is not about looking successful from the outside.

    It is about how you communicate, how you make decisions, how you grow, and how you build a life that can actually hold the success you are creating.

    In this episode:

    (03:11) - What being a “power couple” really means

    (05:07) - Why finding your “other half” may be the wrong goal
    (10:49) - How Lauren and Micah met in a Facebook group
    (17:28) - What early marriage revealed about expectations, communication, and growth
    (19:40) - Why marriage is not two single people simply co-existing
    (27:51) - How Micah went from an air mattress to co-owning a nationwide company
    (37:32) - The moment Micah realized he had to seek mentorship instead of doing it alone
    (44:49) - How Lauren started building a business at 19 and made six figures by 21
    (48:27) - Why personal growth changes your capacity to lead
    (53:34) - How success changes in different seasons of life
    (59:22) - How ambitious couples can support each other without competing
    (01:01:10) - Why your partner’s priorities should matter to you, even when they are not your own
    (01:06:09) - How routines, walks, prayer, gratitude, and honest conversations help keep them grounded
    (01:08:44) - What it looks like to intentionally invest in your marriage
    (01:11:50) - Why building something meaningful requires both individual growth and shared vision

    Connect with Micah:

    • Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/micahmcqueenofficial/ 
    • Website - Priority Roofing | https://priorityroofs.com/ 
    • Connect with Lauren:

      • Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/laur.mcqueen14/ 
      • High Impact Life Ministries | https://www.instagram.com/highimpactlifeministries/ 
      • Connect with us: 

        • Your Daily Retreat Website | http://www.ydretreat.com 
        • Follow Sam on Instagram | http://www.instagram.com/samanthasagot 
        • Follow Jeff on Instagram | http://www.instagram.com/jeffhauser_ 
        • Your Daily Retreat Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/ydretreat 
        • Produced by Eliza St John | Email [email protected]

          Original Music by Dario Forzato | http://www.darioforzatomusic.com 
          This Podcast is Hosted by Podbean.

          1 hr 20 min
        • The Overnight Success That Took 13 Years: Part 2

          People love to celebrate success, but almost nobody talks about the breakdowns that came first.

          The moments where your plans fall apart, your identity cracks, your future stops making sense, and you quietly wonder if you completely ruined your life.

          Thirteen years ago, Sam was walking away from a career path she spent years building, carrying more than $250,000 in student debt while people around her questioned why she would risk everything for a vision no one else could see.

          At the same time, Jeff was at rock bottom, battling addiction, getting arrested, and hiding behind a shrub in a parking lot while facing the reality of who he had become.

          That is the part people don’t usually see: the false starts, the failures, the moments where life falls apart, and the choice to rebuild anyway.

          In this episode, Sam and Jeff pull back the curtain on the chapters that shaped them individually and eventually together. They talk about rock-bottom moments, identity shifts, rebuilding seasons, and the decisions that changed the trajectory of their lives.

          Because becoming who you are meant to be rarely happens in the easy seasons. It happens in the moments that force you to choose differently.

          If you feel like your life is messy right now, if you feel behind, or if you are standing in the middle of a setback, this conversation is here to remind you that maybe your life isn’t falling apart. Maybe it is rebuilding you into who you were meant to become.

          In this episode:

          (03:13) - Why betting on yourself is sometimes the only way forward

          (08:39) - How rebuilding proves it was never luck
          (14:39) - How  building the right relationships changes everything in your career
          (19:22) - How to identify your superpower and what may also be holding you back
          (24:17) - Why there is no finish line, only new seasons
          (28:16) - Why the first voice in your head is not always the truth
          (31:59) - How to recreate yourself in any season

          Connect with us: 

          • Your Daily Retreat Website | http://www.ydretreat.com 
          • Follow Sam on Instagram | http://www.instagram.com/samanthasagot 
          • Follow Jeff on Instagram | http://www.instagram.com/jeffhauser_ 
          • Your Daily Retreat Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/ydretreat 
          • Produced by Eliza St John | Email [email protected]

            Original Music by Dario Forzato | http://www.darioforzatomusic.com 
            This Podcast is Hosted by Podbean.

            36 min
          • The Overnight Success That Took 13 Years: Part 1

            People love to celebrate success, but almost nobody talks about the breakdowns that came first.

            The moments where your plans fall apart, your identity cracks, your future stops making sense, and you quietly wonder if you completely ruined your life.

            Thirteen years ago, Sam was walking away from a career path she spent years building, carrying more than $250,000 in student debt while people around her questioned why she would risk everything for a vision no one else could see.

            At the same time, Jeff was at rock bottom, battling addiction, getting arrested, and hiding behind a shrub in a parking lot while facing the reality of who he had become.

            That is the part people don’t usually see: the false starts, the failures, the moments where life falls apart, and the choice to rebuild anyway.

            In this episode, Sam and Jeff pull back the curtain on the chapters that shaped them individually and eventually together. They talk about rock-bottom moments, identity shifts, rebuilding seasons, and the decisions that changed the trajectory of their lives.

            Because becoming who you are meant to be rarely happens in the easy seasons. It happens in the moments that force you to choose differently.

            If you feel like your life is messy right now, if you feel behind, or if you are standing in the middle of a setback, this conversation is here to remind you that maybe your life isn’t falling apart. Maybe it is rebuilding you into who you were meant to become.

            In this episode:

            (01:32) - What people don’t see behind success

            (04:48) - Why comparison feels convincing but is often misleading
            (06:15) - How success is built in seasons most people never see
            (10:01) - Why your definition of success changes as you grow
            (12:31) - Sam’s story of debt, burnout, and walking away from the expected path
            (17:40) - Jeff’s story of addiction, arrest, and the shrub moment
            (23:23) - How a setback can become the moment that changes everything
            (24:25) - How to move forward when you feel like there’s no way out

            Connect with us: 

            • Your Daily Retreat Website | http://www.ydretreat.com 
            • Follow Sam on Instagram | http://www.instagram.com/samanthasagot 
            • Follow Jeff on Instagram | http://www.instagram.com/jeffhauser_ 
            • Your Daily Retreat Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/ydretreat 
            • Produced by Eliza St John | Email [email protected]

              Original Music by Dario Forzato | http://www.darioforzatomusic.com
              This Podcast is Hosted by Podbean.

              34 min
            • The Corporate Game: How to Thrive Without Losing Yourself

              Corporate life can teach you a lot if you know how to pay attention.

              It can teach you how to communicate, lead, follow through, solve problems, build relationships, manage pressure, and understand how organizations really work.

              In this solo episode, Jeff shares practical lessons from his own career on how to thrive in the corporate world without losing yourself along the way.

              This conversation is for anyone building a career, growing into leadership, navigating a new role, or trying to make the most of the season they’re in.

              Jeff breaks down how to become the architect of your own career, how to identify the type of culture where you thrive, and why follow-up, follow-through, emotional awareness, and communication style can separate you faster than talent alone.

              This episode is not about chasing titles or proving yourself through work.

              It’s about moving through your career with more intention, clarity, and ownership so your work supports the life you actually want to build.

              If you’ve been wondering how to grow, stand out, or show up differently in your current role, this episode is your reminder that you have more influence than you think.

              You can reset. You can recommit. You can take ownership of your path.

              And you can use the environment you’re in to build whatever comes next.

              In this episode:

              (01:26) - How to become the architect of your own career

              (03:34) - Why corporate can be a powerful training ground
              (05:07) - How to identify the company culture where you thrive
              (08:05) - Questions to ask yourself about career alignment
              (10:02) - How to understand your strengths and superpowers
              (12:18) - Why follow-up and follow-through create opportunity
              (14:21) - How to stop taking workplace feedback personally
              (17:19) - Why communication style matters more than people realize
              (18:44) - How to flex your style without losing yourself
              (20:54) - Why career success is a team sport
              (22:03) - How to reset and show up differently in your current role

              Connect with us: 

              • Your Daily Retreat Website | http://www.ydretreat.com 
              • Follow Sam on Instagram | http://www.instagram.com/samanthasagot 
              • Follow Jeff on Instagram | http://www.instagram.com/jeffhauser_ 
              • Your Daily Retreat Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/ydretreat 
              • Produced by Eliza St John | Email [email protected]

                Original Music by Dario Forzato | http://www.darioforzatomusic.com 
                This Podcast is Hosted by Podbean.

                24 min
              • Alignment Audit: How to Stay Focused While Building Multiple Streams ft. Tommy Ward

                You’re building more than one thing right now. You’re trying to grow, stay consistent, and move your life forward. But on some days, it feels like the more you do, the less focused you actually feel. 

                Tommy Ward is no stranger to this season.

                An entrepreneur, podcast host, and real estate professional, Tommy is in a season of expansion, building across e-commerce, content, mentorship, and new business ventures. On the outside, it looks like momentum. But underneath it all, he’s had to learn what it actually takes to stay structured, protect his energy, and keep growing without losing clarity along the way. 

                In this episode, Sam sits down with entrepreneur, podcast host, and real estate professional Tommy Ward for an alignment audit to break down what productivity actually looks like when your life starts scaling in multiple directions. From shifting priorities to time blocking to the reality of managing competing responsibilities, they unpack the hidden patterns that quietly create overwhelm, even when things are going well. 

                Together, they explore how to work in a way that actually supports your growth instead of scattering it. Not by doing more, but by getting intentional about structure, focus, and how you choose to spend your energy each week.

                If you’ve been trying to grow in multiple areas of your life, but feel like your attention is constantly divided, this conversation will help you step back into clarity, focus, and momentum.

                In this episode:

                (02:29) - Tommy’s sobriety and personal transformation journey

                (03:53) - The importance of creating wealth for happiness, opportunity, and family
                (10:57) - Building multiple income streams without losing your sense of direction
                (14:00) - The quiet identity shift that comes with outgrowing your old structure
                (16:01) - What productivity actually looks like when life gets more complex
                (22:15) - How to tell if your priorities are supporting your growth or scattering it
                (29:46) - The hidden burnout that happens when you keep switching your focus too often
                (32:10) - Time-blocking: Prioritizing tasks to achieve higher productivity and success
                (34:26) - Why structure becomes more important as you start expanding
                (43:16) - The difference between growth that feels chaotic and growth that feels grounded
                (47:29) - The power of repetition and adjustment to create lasting habits

                Connect with Tommy:

                • Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/thetommyward/ 
                • The Sober Sip Podcast | https://open.spotify.com/show/7IK2NpBHoiqUehCTWGOsNE 
                • Connect with us: 

                  • Your Daily Retreat Website | http://www.ydretreat.com 
                  • Follow Sam on Instagram | http://www.instagram.com/samanthasagot 
                  • Follow Jeff on Instagram | http://www.instagram.com/jeffhauser_ 
                  • Your Daily Retreat Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/ydretreat 
                  • Sign up for our Newsletter | [email protected] 
                  • Apply for an Alignment Audit with Sam Hauser | [email protected] 
                  • Produced by Eliza St John | Email [email protected]

                    Original Music by Dario Forzato | http://www.darioforzatomusic.com 
                    This Podcast is Hosted by Podbean.

                    52 min
                  • From Idea To Reality: Why Most People Never Follow Through

                    You have an idea.

                    The kind that won’t leave you alone.

                    But instead of acting on it, you sit with it. You think about it. You question it. And before long, you’re stuck somewhere between knowing and doing.

                    In this episode, Jeff and Sam break down what actually keeps people stuck in that space and why it’s rarely about discipline.

                    It’s about alignment. It’s about fear. And it’s about the identity you have to step into to bring something real to life.

                    Through the behind-the-scenes reality of building Your Daily Retreat, they share what execution actually looks like when no one is watching. The failed attempts, the pivots, the moments that didn’t work, and what it took to keep going anyway.

                    This isn’t about having the perfect plan. It’s about being willing to move before you feel ready, and figuring it out as you go.

                    If you’ve been sitting on something for months or even years, this episode will challenge the way you think about clarity, action, and what it really takes to follow through.

                    One question to take with you:

                    What happens if I don’t?

                    In this episode:

                    (00:37) - Why most people get stuck between thinking and doing

                    (02:03) - The difference between aligned, exciting, and “impressive” ideas
                    (11:05) - The truth about pivoting and why it’s part of the process
                    (14:03) - What real commitment looks like behind the scenes
                    (20:34) - How fear, procrastination, and perfectionism actually show up
                    (22:15) - How to tell the difference between intuition and fear
                    (24:13) - Why your old identity will try to pull you back
                    (26:24) - What it actually takes to bring an idea to life
                    (42:56) - Why clarity doesn’t come before action. Clarity comes from it
                    (44:56) - The mindset shift that can change everything

                    Connect with us: 

                    • Your Daily Retreat Website | http://www.ydretreat.com 
                    • Follow Sam on Instagram | http://www.instagram.com/samanthasagot 
                    • Follow Jeff on Instagram | http://www.instagram.com/jeffhauser_ 
                    • Your Daily Retreat Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/ydretreat 
                    • Produced by Eliza St John | Email [email protected]

                      Original Music by Dario Forzato | http://www.darioforzatomusic.com 
                      This Podcast is Hosted by Podbean

                      49 min
                    • Stop Chasing Algorithms: Do This Instead ft. Corrine Stokoe

                      You’re trying to build a business online, and you’re being told the same thing: post more, go viral, chase the algorithm. 

                      But what if that’s exactly why you’re feeling stuck or why so many creators burn out before they ever build something that lasts?

                      In this episode, Sam sits down with Corrine Stokoe, founder of Mint Arrow, and one of the earliest lifestyle bloggers to turn content into a full-time business long before “influencer” was even a job title. Over the last decade, she’s navigated every shift in the digital landscape and quietly built an online audience, income, and brand that has stood the test of time. 

                      From the early days of blogging and affiliate links to today’s creator economy, Corrine shares the behind-the-scenes truth about monetization, audience trust, brand partnerships, and what actually drives longevity in the creator space. 

                      Together, Sam and Corrine unpack a different way of thinking about success online, one that isn’t built on speed or virality, but on consistency, clarity, and trust that compounds over time into something far more stable than attention ever could. 

                      In this episode:

                      (01:32) - Mint Arrow and how Corrine’s journey into content creation began

                      (07:22) - Discovering affiliate marketing: Skimlinks, Amazon affiliates, and the rise of LTK
                      (10:49) - Early blogging vs today’s creator economy
                      (12:48) - Vulnerability as the foundation of audience trust
                      (17:53) - How to turn content into a real income stream
                      (21:11) - What most people get wrong about content creation
                      (26:27) - Ways to land brand partnerships
                      (31:40) - Why some creators last, and others burn out
                      (35:27) - Why following your passion is sometimes a trap
                      (36:59) - Long form vs short form content (what actually builds trust)
                      (42:19) - What audiences are craving in a saturated online world
                      (44:51) - The first step to monetizing content
                      (47:44) - Choosing the right platform based on your target audience
                      (50:09) - The mindset that separates creators who grow from those who quit
                      (52:54) - Who you choose to align with and how it impacts audience trust 

                      Connect with Corrine:

                      • Website | https://www.mintarrow.com/
                      • Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/corrinestokoe/ 
                      • LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/mintarrow/ 
                      • Connect with us: 

                        • Your Daily Retreat Website | http://www.ydretreat.com 
                        • Follow Sam on Instagram | http://www.instagram.com/samanthasagot 
                        • Follow Jeff on Instagram | http://www.instagram.com/jeffhauser_ 
                        • Your Daily Retreat Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/ydretreat 
                        • Produced by Eliza St John | Email [email protected]

                          Original Music by Dario Forzato | http://www.darioforzatomusic.com 
                          This Podcast is Hosted by Podbean.

                          1 hr 1 min
                        • Unlearning the Life You Were Told to Build with Jennifer Piper and Julienne Piche

                          What happens when the life you were told would create stability starts to conflict with the life you actually want to be present for?

                          For so many high performers, the path was clear: study hard, get the job, work harder, climb higher. And yet, somewhere along the way, the expected feeling of freedom doesn’t arrive. It just gets replaced with more responsibility, more pressure, and less time. 

                          In this episode, Sam sits down with Jennifer Piper and Julienne Piche, two women who come from different worlds but arrived at the same quiet realization. 

                          Jennifer built and operated multiple brick-and-mortar businesses while raising her children as a single mother. Julienne rose through a fast-paced corporate career while navigating early motherhood and the weight of constant performance. On paper, both were successful. But internally, both began to question whether success and freedom were truly the same thing. 

                          This conversation explores what happens when you start to unlearn the traditional blueprint for success, and begin to consider a different way of building income, impact, and legacy that don’t require trading more of your life to earn more from it. 

                          If you’ve ever felt the tension between the life you built and the life you actually want to live, this episode is for you. 

                          In this episode:

                          (00:20) - Two women, two different paths, but the same realization

                          (01:12) - When “doing everything right” still doesn’t feel right anymore
                          (17:45) - The hidden reality behind building a business most people never see
                          (31:25) - When motherhood reshapes your definition of success
                          (34:30) - Navigating guilt, pressure, and divided identity
                          (36:27) - What it takes to choose a different way of building your life
                          (46:19) - Rebuilding income in a way that doesn’t require more time away from your life
                          (51:20) - What your children learn when they witness your transformation
                          (55:07) - Breaking generational patterns and inherited limits
                          (59:35) - Why community changes everything for women
                          (01:01:27) - Overcoming limiting beliefs about life and money
                          (01:04:39) - Redefining success beyond titles and validation
                          (01:09:38) - Healing through service and purpose
                          (01:10:44) - Advice for women thinking about entrepreneurship
                          (01:12:29) - Choosing yourself and rewriting your story

                          Connect with Jennifer:

                          • Website | https://jennpiper.com/ 
                          • Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/jenniferpiperkennedy
                          • Facebook | https://www.facebook.com/ItsJenniferPiper/ 
                          • Connect with Julienne:

                            • Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/julienne.piche 
                            • Facebook | https://www.facebook.com/julienne.zincone/ 
                            • LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/juliennepiche/ 
                            • Connect with us: 

                              • Your Daily Retreat Website | http://www.ydretreat.com 
                              • Follow Sam on Instagram | http://www.instagram.com/samanthasagot 
                              • Follow Jeff on Instagram | http://www.instagram.com/jeffhauser_ 
                              • Your Daily Retreat Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/ydretreat 
                              • Produced by Eliza St John | Email [email protected]

                                Original Music by Dario Forzato | http://www.darioforzatomusic.com  
                                This Podcast is Hosted by Podbean.

                                1 hr 19 min
                              • How Great Operators Simplify Big Problems ft. Santosh Kuruvilla

                                You can be great at what you do and still feel overwhelmed by the size of what’s in front of you.

                                In this episode, Jeff sits down with Santosh Kuruvilla, founder of Escape N Stay and Business Optimization Consulting, for a conversation about leadership, problem solving, and what it really takes to simplify complexity.

                                Santosh has spent more than two decades building and operating hotels around the world, leading large teams, opening major properties, and stepping into environments where things have to work under pressure.

                                But this conversation goes beyond hospitality.

                                Jeff and Santosh talk about how great operators think, how to break down problems that feel too big, how to build trust and develop people, and what changes when you move from being an operator inside a company to building something of your own.

                                They also talk about time, family, risk, and the real tradeoffs that come with ambition.

                                If you’ve been overthinking your next move, carrying something that feels heavy, or trying to figure out how to lead through complexity without getting lost in it, this episode will bring you back to a simpler and more grounded way of moving forward.

                                In this episode:

                                (01:49) - Santosh’s journey from India to global hospitality leadership

                                (32:10) - How great operators break down big problems
                                (34:47) - The “how do you eat an elephant?” mindset
                                (39:56) - What leaders should look for when developing talent
                                (48:21) - The difference between operator thinking and founder thinking
                                (50:45) - What it means to build a life around time, not just money
                                (54:46) - Why action beats overthinking
                                (58:44) - Why genuine relationships matter more than most people realize

                                Connect with Santosh Kuravilla:

                                • LinkedIn | https://www.linkedin.com/in/santoshkuruvilla2/ 
                                • Business Optimization Consulting | https://www.weoptimizebusinesses.com/ 
                                • EscapeNStay Hospitality | https://www.escapenstay.com/ 
                                • Connect with us: 

                                  • Your Daily Retreat Website | http://www.ydretreat.com 
                                  • Follow Sam on Instagram | http://www.instagram.com/samanthasagot 
                                  • Follow Jeff on Instagram | http://www.instagram.com/jeffhauser_ 
                                  • Your Daily Retreat Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/ydretreat 
                                  • Produced by Eliza St John | Email [email protected]

                                    Original Music by Dario Forzato | http://www.darioforzatomusic.com 

                                    This Podcast is Hosted by Podbean.

                                     

                                    1 hr 12 min
                                  • When Your Vision Feels Out of Reach: How Integration Creates Breakthrough

                                    You’ve had the vision. You’ve made the plan. You’ve put in the effort. And yet something still isn’t clicking.

                                    The life you’re working toward can start to feel just out of reach. Not because you’re doing the wrong things, but because something isn’t fully coming together.

                                    In this episode, Jeff walks through that gap. The space between knowing what to do and actually seeing change in your life. Why more information doesn’t always lead to progress. And why the missing piece is often integration.

                                    This isn’t about doing more. It’s about understanding how your inputs, decisions, and actions are working together, and where they might be slightly off.

                                    Jeff shares simple ways to start noticing the “operating system” you’re currently running, and how small shifts can begin to change the way your life and work actually feel day to day. 

                                    If you’ve ever felt like you’re putting in the effort but not seeing it translate, this episode is an invitation to slow down, step back, and look at what’s really happening beneath the surface.

                                    Because lasting change doesn’t come from pushing harder. It comes from integrating what you already know into the way you live.

                                    In this episode:

                                    (01:54) - Why Integration, Not Information, Actually Moves You Forward

                                    (02:59) - What Integration Is and What an Integration Expert Does
                                    (06:04) - Understanding Your Life’s Operating System
                                    (07:56) - Turning Business Chaos into a Smooth Operating System
                                    (12:22) - Solving Life and Business Like a Puzzle: Testing, Adjusting, Aligning
                                    (14:47) - Trusting the Process: Persistence & Adaptation in Integration
                                    (18:02) - What Separates Problem-Solvers from the People Who Stay Stuck
                                    (22:08) - Why People Who Succeed Aren’t Always Smarter
                                    (25:17) - Real-Life Examples of Integration: From Business Projects to Personal Transformation
                                    (31:11) - Aligning Your Actions with the Life You Want
                                    (34:35) - Mapping Your Operating System: What Small Actions Unlock Your Next Breakthrough?

                                    Connect with us: 

                                    • Your Daily Retreat Website | http://www.ydretreat.com 
                                    • Follow Sam on Instagram | http://www.instagram.com/samanthasagot 
                                    • Follow Jeff on Instagram | http://www.instagram.com/jeffhauser_ 
                                    • Your Daily Retreat Instagram | https://www.instagram.com/ydretreat 
                                    • Produced by Eliza St John | Email [email protected] 

                                      Original Music by Dario Forzato | http://www.darioforzatomusic.com  
                                      This Podcast is Hosted by Podbean.

                                       

                                      39 min

                                    About Your Daily Retreat

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                                    You can be highly capable and still feel like something isn’t fully clicking.