"The Brian Clough I first met was nothing like the Brian Clough who became a legend in his own lifetime.

"He was a quiet guy who wanted to take a back seat because he was in awe of players like Bobby Charlton and Jimmy Greaves, who he idolised."

Former Fleet Street journalist Norman Giller has some wonderful Cloughie stories spanning several decades.

He describes how Brian was the first to phone the great Jimmy Greaves to offer him a free interview when Greavsie began his broadcasting career.

"That showed Cloughie's generosity," Norman tells Marcus Alton in this trailer for the latest Green Jumper.

Norman talks about the times he interviewed Clough and filmed a surprise presentation for his friend, the commentator Brian Moore (resulting in the title of this episode!).

Norman has written more than 100 books - his latest being the authorised biography of Clough's great friend Jimmy Greaves. You can find out more at normangillerbooks.com.

In the meantime, please enjoy this taster of the fascinating forthcoming pod.