Pie Hard welcomes premiership player & rat pack co-founder Ben Johnson to the pod. In a revealing chat, Ben shares his tips for young AFL players looking to start their own rat pack, we discuss St Kilda's 'shoulda coulda woulda bullshit', which magpie is the next Dane Swan, the Milne bounce of the ball, booze-fuelled fist fights, the best captain he played under, the secret to not getting sacked, and how being called a weak prick by coach Mick Malthouse saved his career.