How does a writer decide to take a risk when it comes to using an out-of-the-box form or idea? And when they do, how does their agent, editor, and publisher respond?

Today Shawn and Cade catch up with Daniel Kraus, author of many books including Whalefall and Angel Down. He's also worked with one of our favorite directors, Guillermo del Toro, on the book and movie, The Shape of Water. Whalefall takes place inside a whale's stomach. Angel Down is a book made up of one sentence.

We talk about fathers and sons and how that relationship plays out in his novels. "If your dad's life is a road, then you have to branch off from that road." Also, how writing this book taught him something about himself.

With a shoutout to the bookshop Exile!

Books Mentioned:

Whalefall by Daniel Kraus Angel Down by Daniel Kraus The Shape of Water by Daniel Kraus The Brothers K by David James Duncan Blood Sugar by Daniel Kraus The Bee Sting by Paul Murray Mother Eating by Jess Hagerman Wolf at the Table by Adam Rapp

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