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We’ve all dreamt of lobbing our smartphone into the ocean and going off grid.
So what happens when you follow through with it?
For our final episode of Brain Rot, we speak to the people who decided they’d had enough.
From a French village, to Gen Z ‘luddites’ in New York City and a group of parents in regional Victoria, there are clubs, campaigns and even laws dedicated to a smartphone-free life.
But in 2025, how do you pull it off? And is it actually worth it?
Guests:
Stan Awtrey
Sportswriter, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Vincent Paul-Petit
Mayor, Seine-Port, France
Lisa Given
Professor of Information Sciences, RMIT University
Steph Challis
Founder, The Phone Pledge
Jameson Butler
Co-Founder, The Luddite Club
Credits:
Thanks to Sam Goerling for the assistance with French translation.
This story was made on the lands of the Gadigal and Menang Noongar peoples.
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We’ve all dreamt of lobbing our smartphone into the ocean and going off grid.
So what happens when you follow through with it?
For our final episode of Brain Rot, we speak to the people who decided they’d had enough.
From a French village, to Gen Z ‘luddites’ in New York City and a group of parents in regional Victoria, there are clubs, campaigns and even laws dedicated to a smartphone-free life.
But in 2025, how do you pull it off? And is it actually worth it?
Guests:
Stan Awtrey
Sportswriter, The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Vincent Paul-Petit
Mayor, Seine-Port, France
Lisa Given
Professor of Information Sciences, RMIT University
Steph Challis
Founder, The Phone Pledge
Jameson Butler
Co-Founder, The Luddite Club
Credits:
Thanks to Sam Goerling for the assistance with French translation.
This story was made on the lands of the Gadigal and Menang Noongar peoples.

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