Mike and Kevin sit down to talk with Kelly Meyer. Kelly is the former owner of The New Braunfels Brewing in Texas. After selling the brewery last year he authored the book How Not to Start a Damn Brewery, an honest approach to the mistakes he made when running the brewery for 10 years. That book has turned into a podcast of its own that discusses with other folks in beer their struggles in an industry that all too often only focuses on the good and successful stories. Kelly talks more with the guys about these struggles, his life after beer, pastry stouts and more.

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