Hey BikeRumor Fans - Welcome to Episode 109! 

Jordan sits down with professional gravel race extraordinaire Alexey Vermeulen and Pearl Izumi product line manager Lani Benson. They unpack how gravel gear (especially kit and outerwear) has evolved along with the sport's progression. But thats just the tip of the iceberg.

It's not all gear and geeking out. However, the conversation moves into the "real meaning" of gravel. Why would someone subject themselves to a grueling (yet fun) 10-hour day on the bike? Importantly, how that day on the bike might not vibe with the most obvious gear choice. For example, the super lightweight stiff-soled gear the professionals are racing might not be the best for you. 

The group discusses their favorite pieces of gravel (and all-around kit) from the newest Pearl Izumi offerings and Alexey's never-ending love for the Attak Barrier jacket.

Will Pearl Izumi possibly return to higher footwear? Their newest offering, the Expedition Pro shoes, looks promising, but they need that extra push—and that could be coming. 

Lastly, it wouldn't be a podcast with Alexey if we didn't discuss the dog in the room: Willy. We talk about how he became so comfortable on the bike and how he (Willy) trains.

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