Cooper and Cary have words with Ben Clube about artificial intelligence, the gulf between humans and machines, and how technology changes us. He's thought a lot about tech, and not just as a way of justifying spending months playing Doom, Quake or Final Fantasy VI. Also, Cary mentions That Hideous Strength. Again.

• Ben’s YouTube channel
• The Singularity Is Near by Ray Kurtzweil
• Homo Deus by Yuval Harari
• 2084 by John Lennox
• 12 Ways Your Phone Is Changing You by Tony Reinke

Production and music by Cooper & Cary. Opening theme by Roger Taylor, AKA Beyond Our Galaxy.

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