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112. Battle Tested: Revolutionizing Wargaming with AI featuring Dr. Billy Barry


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Today’s The Convergence podcast welcomes back proclaimed Mad Scientist Dr. Billy Barry, Professor of Emerging Technology at the U.S. Army War College, to discuss his latest innovation — an Artificial Intelligence (AI)-enabled digital war game.  We tested this capability with two of the TRADOC G-2’s most experienced wargamers to get their thoughts on how it performed and its potential to democratize access to wargaming and potentially revolutionize Army training and strategic planning — Read on!]

Dr. Billy Barry is a Professor of Emerging Technology and Principal Strategist of the Artificial Intelligence/Intelligence Augmentation (AI/IA) Program for the Center for Strategic Leadership at the United States Army War College.  Before working at the Army War College, Dr. Barry was a visiting professor of Philosophy and Just War Theory at the United States Military Academy at West Point.  A pioneer in Human-AI/Intelligent Augmentation (IA) teams, he is the first to introduce AI-powered IA androids, robots, digital virtual beings, and strategic advisors as teaching and learning partners in civilian university and Professional Military Education classrooms.  A sought-after TEDx and international keynote speaker, Dr. Barry’s influence extends to Fortune 500 companies and global leadership symposiums and conferences.  His current research interest centers on non-invasive brain-computer interfaces, driving the conversation on ethical technology interactions.  His contributions to academia and industry establish him as a leading authority on the future of human relationships with emerging technology.   

In our latest episode of The Convergence podcast, Dr. Billy Barry visited TRADOC to demonstrate his custom-made digital war game using his new Deterministic Constraint Processing (DCP) idea.  Seasoned TRADOC G-2 wargamers Kate Kilgore and Dorsel “Flip” Boyer II tested several scenarios of Dr. Barry’s wargame and provide their insightful feedback regarding how this tool could be used by the Army.  The following bullet points highlight the key insights from this conversation.

  • Barry created a custom-made digital war game using DCP on top of the ChatGPT framework.  Using DCP as a methodological framework to transform probabilistic Generative AI(Gen AI) systems into deterministic, rule-bound models, Dr. Barry’s Hybrid Deterministic Generative AI (HDGAI) system rigorously enforces semantic validity, epistemic integrity, and ethical logic through structured token selection processes, preventing semantic drift and computational inaccuracies typical in traditional Gen AI.  HDGAI is designed to be auditable, transparent, and free from “hallucinations” or unpredictable outputs, making it a more reliable tool for exploring the viability of courses of action and strategic decision-making. 
    • Digital wargame scenarios using the HDGAI system — e.g., FLASHPOINT 2042: Taiwan Strait and ASCENDANCY 2050: The AI Uprising— significantly reduce the cost and logistical barriers associated with traditional war gaming — anyone with a computer or mobile device can access and play through these games.  This accessibility democratizes wargaming and allows for wider participation, including the tool’s potential use in education and training. 
      • When tested by experienced wargamers, the HDGAI system’s intuitive design fostered a faster learning curve and enhanced player The ability to directly ask the system a clarifying question during gameplay – or modify the rules and structure – and receive clear explanations of outcomes enhanced players’ understanding and strategic thinking. 
        • The HDGAI system’s transparency allowed for the identification of subtle differences and novel insights into strategic thinking. Analyzing gameplay revealed discrepancies between historical perspectives and strategic goals, highlighting nuances often missed in traditional war games. 
          • While designed for wargaming, the HDGAI system’s principles of transparency, auditability, and reliability hold promise for other fields beyond a military context, such as intelligence analysis, threat assessment, legal fields, and education. 
            • Integrating an HDGAI approach to wargaming, with its simplicity, accuracy, and trainability, could help revolutionize Army training and strategic planning. Democratizing access to sophisticated wargaming with a solid database of historical data for everyone — not just expert wargamers who have mastered arcane rules — could improve Soldiers’ military decision-making skills, provide increased opportunities for critical thinking and collaboration, accelerate learning across all ranks, and ultimately result in more agile, better informed decision making in a rapidly evolving and increasingly complex Operational Environment. 
              • Barry is currently coordinating with both the U.S. Army TRADOC and Army Futures Command (AFC)to bring the power of his HDGAI system to these commands’ respective mission sets. 
              • Stay tuned to the Mad Scientist Laboratory for our next episode of The Convergence podcast on 10 April 2025. 

                If you enjoyed this post, review the TRADOC Pamphlet 525-92, The Operational Environment 2024-2034: Large-Scale Combat Operations

                Explore the TRADOC G-2‘s Operational Environment Enterprise web page, brimming with authoritative information on the Operational Environment and how our adversaries fight, including:

                Our China Landing Zone, full of information regarding our pacing challenge, including ATP 7-100.3, Chinese TacticsBiteSize China weekly topics, People’s Liberation Army Ground Forces Quick Reference Guide, and our thirty-plus snapshots captured to date addressing what China is learning about the Operational Environment from Russia’s war against Ukraine (note that a DoD Common Access Card [CAC] is required to access this last link).

                Our Russia Landing Zone, including the BiteSize Russia weekly topics. If you have a CAC, you’ll be especially interested in reviewing our weekly RUS-UKR Conflict Running Estimates and associated Narratives, capturing what we learned about the contemporary Russian way of war in Ukraine over the past two years and the ramifications for U.S. Army modernization across DOTMLPF-P.

                Our Iran Landing Zone, including the latest Iran OE Watch articles, as well as the Iran Quick Reference Guide and the Iran Passive Defense Manual (both require a CAC to access).

                Our Running Estimates SharePoint site (also requires a CAC to access) — documenting what we’re learning about the evolving OE.  Contains our monthly OE Running Estimates, associated Narratives, and the 2QFY243QFY244QFY24, and 1QFY25 OE Assessment TRADOC Intelligence Posts (TIPs).

                Then check out the following related Mad Scientist Laboratory content exploring wargaming…

                Report from Game On! Wargaming & The Operational Environment Conference, 06-07 November 2024

                Seven Reflections of a “Red Commander” — Lessons Learned Playing the Adversary in DoD Wargames, by Ian Sullivan

                Hybrid Intelligence: Sustaining Adversary Overmatch and associated podcast, with Dr. Billy Barry and LTC Blair Wilcox

                “Best of” Calling All Wargamers Insights (Parts 1 and 2)

                Whipping Wargaming into NATO SHAPE and associated podcast, with COL Arnel David

                Wargaming: A Company-Grade Perspective, by CPT Spencer D. H. Bates

                Taking the Golf Out of Gaming and associated podcast, with Sebastian Bae

                Civilian Harm Mitigation and Response (CHMR) Considerations in Wargaming LSCOAchieving Victory & Ensuring Civilian Safety in Conflict Zones, and associated podcast with Andrew Olson

                Brian Train on Wargaming Irregular and Urban Combat

                Live from D.C., it’s Fight Night (Parts One and Two) and associated podcasts (Parts One and Two)

                Would You Like to Play a Game? Wargaming as a Learning Experience and Key Assumptions Check and “No Option is Excluded” — Using Wargaming to Envision a Chinese Assault on Taiwan, by Ian Sullivan

                Using Wargames to Reconceptualize Military Power, by proclaimed Mad Scientist Caroline Duckworth

                Gaming the System: How Wargames Shape our Future and associated podcast, with guest panelists Ian Sullivan, Mitchell Land, LTC Peter SoendergaardJennifer McArdle, Becca Wasser, Dr. Stacie PettyjohnSebastian Bae, Dan Mahoney, and Jeff Hodges

                The Storm After the Flood virtual wargame scenariovideonotes, and Lessons Learned presentation and video, presented by proclaimed Mad Scientists Dr. Gary Ackerman and Doug Clifford, The Center for Advanced Red Teaming, University at Albany, SUNY

                Gamers Building the Future Force and associated podcast

                … and the transformative power of AI — spanning the gamut of potential applications:

                Artificial Intelligence (AI) Trends

                Takeaways Learned about the Future of the AI Battlefield and associated information paper

                Artificial Intelligence: An Emerging Game-changer

                Unlocking TRADOC’s Potential with GenAI: Opportunities and Challenges and Generative AI: The New Ammunition in the Data Arms Race and associated podcast, with Ben Van Roo

                Artificial Intelligence: Shaping the Future of Biological-Chemical Warfare, by Jared Kite

                Training Transformed: AI and the Future Soldier, by proclaimed Mad Scientist SGM Kyle J. Kramer

                The AI Study Buddy at the Army War College (Part 1) and associated podcast, with LtCol Joe Buffamante, USMC

                The AI Study Buddy at the Army War College (Part 2) and associated podcast, with  Dr. Billy Barry, USAWC

                Hybrid Intelligence: Sustaining Adversary Overmatch and associated podcast, with proclaimed Mad Scientist Dr. Billy Barry and LTC Blair Wilcox

                Rise of Artificial Intelligence: Implications to the Fielded Force, by John W. Mabes III

                Integrating Artificial Intelligence into Military Operations, by Dr. James Mancillas

                “Own the Night” and the associated Modern War Institute podcast, with proclaimed Mad Scientist Bob Work

                Bringing AI to the Joint Force and associated podcast, with Jacqueline TameAlka Patel, and Dr. Jane Pinelis

                Thoughts on AI and Ethics… from the Chaplain Corps

                Gen Z is Likely to Build Trusting Relationships with AI, by COL Derek Baird

                Hey, ChatGPT, Help Me Win this Contract! and associated podcast, with LTC Robert Solano

                Chatty Cathy, Open the Pod Bay Doors: An Interview with ChatGPT and associated podcast

                The Future of Learning: Personalized, Continuous, and Accelerated

                The Guy Behind the Guy: AI as the Indispensable Marshal, by Brady Moore and Chris Sauceda

                AI Enhancing EI in War, by MAJ Vincent Dueñas

                The Human Targeting Solution: An AI Story, by CW3 Jesse R. Crifasi

                Bias and Machine Learning

                An Appropriate Level of Trust…

                How does the Army – as part of the Joint force – Build and Employ Teams to Compete, Penetrate, Disintegrate, and Exploit our Adversaries in the Future?

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