In this podcast, we sit down with our friends Ray and Emily Julin to discuss our experiences in the Apprentice program for NAVHDA. We discuss why we joined the apprentice judging program and what we hoped to get out of it. Kat and Charles talk about why they wanted to become NAVHDA judges and what they thought they were going to get going into the program and what they have gotten out of it now that they are both approved judges. Emily talks about sometimes you need a push from friends and other judges to give you the confidence to start the process!