We host Marco de Jong to discuss AUKUS, how NZ is approaching it, the changes in position between this government and the last and what it threatens for the future of the Pacific.

This episode’s co-hosts

Kyle, Marco

Timestamps

0:00 Introductions

3:16 AUKUS Pillar 2

6:35 Implications of AUKUS

13:19 Non-Partisian

16:02 Concerns With the US

21:08 The Report

22:24 US Industrial Complex in ANZ

29:09 Military in the Pacific

31:28 Distant Collateral Damage 

32:15 NZs Potential Involvement

38:34 How Does NZ Pushback

44:19 The Risk of this Coalition

49:59 The Effects on the Pacific

58:25 Closings

Intro/Outro by The Prophet Motive

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