This extra to episode 123, with the legendary Fred Provenza, delves into more of the metaphysical context of everything we spoke about in the main episode. We traverse the spectra of collapse and regeneration, and how we can live well in all that, here and now. There are some profound stories of personal transformation here – and an ultimate convergence of mythology and mysticism with his life’s work on the wisdom body.

This part of our conversation led up to the ‘music question’ that closed the main episode, so it’ll also give a bit more context to Fred’s moving response there.

Title slide: the cover to Fred’s book Nourishment (linked in the main episode below).

Music:
Stones & Bones, by Owls of the Swamp.

Find more:
You can hear the rest of my conversation with Fred Provenza in the main episode: ‘The Wisdom Body: Fred Provenza on a paradigm change in animal, human and planetary health’. You’ll find a few links in the show notes there too.

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