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In the latest episode of Way of Product, I had the pleasure of chatting with Rob Walling, a serial SaaS entrepreneur, author, and SaaS investor at Tinyseed. Rob spends most of his time teaching people how to build million-dollar startups without venture capital. He also helps SaaS founders build incredible businesses. Rob has started six companies, written five books, Invested in 200+ startups, and has 15M+ podcast downloads on his podcast, Startups for the Rest of Us.Rob challenges the conventional narrative that startups must raise funding, instead advocating for bootstrapping as a viable path to success. He shares his 'one-nine ninety' rule, arguing that only a small percentage of startups should pursue venture capital. Rob draws on his journey as a successful tech entrepreneur who bootstrapped multiple companies, including Drip, which he sold in 2016.Connect with Rob on Linkedin.

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Actionable Takeaways

✅ Challenging the startup venture funding narrative.

✅ Profit over growth—choose freedom.

✅ Building resilience through hard decisions and luck.Time Stamps02:57 Real Estate vs. Software: Finding the Right Path

05:39 The Value of Bootstrapping

10:37 The Role of Developers in Startups

17:29 The Success of Drip

19:25 Making Hard Decisions with Incomplete Information

19:36 Launching and Finding Product-Market Fit

19:58 The Importance of Timing and Luck

22:39 Building an Audience and Brand

24:00 The Role of Hard Work, Luck, and Skill

27:28 Challenges in Product Management

33:22 The Value of Ownership and Decision Making

35:12 Final Thoughts and How to Connect

Challenging the Startup Funding Narrative

"There's this b******t narrative that everybody who does a startup has to raise funding. It's just not true."

—Rob Walling

Rob argues that it’s a myth that startups must always raise funding. His "one nine 90" rule suggests that only 1% of startups should consider raising venture capital while the majority could bootstrap successfully.

Takeaway: Evaluate if external funding aligns with your startup goals or if bootstrapping might give you more freedom and control.

Profit Over Growth—Choose Freedom

"I haven't done anything for the money. I've done it all for the freedom."

—Rob Walling

Rob shared personal experiences, highlighting his journey from real estate investing to SaaS entrepreneurship. He emphasized that his drive was not to amass wealth but to gain control over his projects and time. Real estate investing might be good for building assets and wealth, but it is terrible when you want freedom and choice in how you spend your time.

Takeaway: Focus on building businesses that align with your values and lifestyle. SaaS is a great asset class if you value freedom and autonomy. 

An interesting takeaway is that you only need $4M in liquid assets when you retire to live a comfortable life and not have to work again. The game isn't to amass as much money as possible; it's to figure out what enough is for you and develop that muscle of knowing when you could stop.

Building Resilience through Hard Decisions and Luck

"As a founder, your job is to make hard decisions with incomplete information."

—Rob Walling

Walling asserts that hard work, luck, and skill are vital to entrepreneurial success.

Success isn't guaranteed. That's the trade-off of going into the entrepreneurial journey. Considering that there's luck involved allows you to start making decisions that put you in a position to be lucky.

Jason Fried, co-founder of Basecamp, told Rob that luck and timing were essential to the company's success. Given the competitive market, Launching Basecamp now would be more difficult.

Takeaway: Accept that uncertainty is part of the journey. Use it to build resilience and trust in your decision-making abilities. Strategy is just positioning and segmentation. If you can get positioning and segmentation right (the “skill” aspect of success), you might have a better chance of being lucky and winning in that market segment. 

Conclusion

Rob Walling’s journey offers a fresh perspective on entrepreneurship, emphasizing freedom, autonomy, and the importance of resilience over long time horizons.

Listen to the full episode to get all the context and stories behind these actionable takeaways.

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