While some things have changed in the 18 years since Sara was in corporate America, a lot of things - namely, DEI work, how we talk about DEI, what words we use, and the urgency with which (White) people view this - have remained the same. And while Misasha's first official role in DE&I was in 2007, she's spent a number of years living the reality of what it's like to not be 100% White in legal America. The conversations may have become more inclusive recently, but it seems like mindsets have not.

This episode is for all of you out there who've worked in a corporation, professional services firm, or anything that's structured as a company, and want to know what you might be doing wrong, and what you definitely can be doing better to advance equity and make your workplace better. Today, we're speaking with journalist, founder, and speaker Ruchika Tulshyan, author of an incredibly practical book Inclusion on Purpose which felt fully in line with our informative, practical approach in our book Dear White Women: Let's Get Uncomfortable Talking About Racism.

What to listen for:

• Why White women should care about helping women of color
• Specific things that people can do to use their privilege - in particular, practicing __- and active listening
• The "flip it to test it" methodology, to uncover and understand our own biases
• Thoughts on imposter syndrome

ABOUT THE AUTHOR

Ruchika Tulshyan is the founder of Candour, a global inclusion strategy firm. She is a regular contributor to The New York Times and Harvard Business Review. As a keynote speaker, Ruchika has addressed audiences at organizations like NASA, Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and U.S. Congress. Ruchika is the author of "The Diversity Advantage: Fixing Gender Inequality in the Workplace," and most recently, "Inclusion on Purpose: An Intersectional Approach to Creating a Culture of Belonging at Work" (MIT Press, March 2022.) Ruchika is on the Thinkers50 Radar list and named among Hive Learning's Most Influential D&I Professionals for the past two years. She is a former international business journalist who is now regularly quoted as a media expert in outlets like NPR, The New York Times and Bloomberg. Her interview on Brene Brown's "Dare to Lead" podcast was among the most-played Spotify podcast episodes of 2021, and her article Stop Telling Women They Have Imposter Syndrome is among HBR's top 100 articles.