Restitutio

162 Refuting Michael Brown’s Case for the Trinity 4


Listen Later

We continue our refutation of Michael Brown’s opening statement by addressing a whole smattering of texts, including Isaiah 9.6, John 20.28, Colossians 2.9, 2 Peter 1.1, Romans 9.5, and 1 John 5.20. We explain and debunk Brown's unusual singular verb argument from 1 Thess 3.13, 2 Thess 2.16-17, and Rev 22.3-4. We briefly touch upon Zech 14.3-4 and Mat 28.19 before handling Brown's case for the independent personality of God's spirit (Acts 5.3-4; 2 Cor 13.14; John 15.26; Mat 12.32). We look at the angel passage from Gen 48.15-16 and the whole concept of seeing God in OT times. In the end we find that Brown's case is not only confusing and self-contradictory, but he also repeatedly presupposes the deity of Christ in exegesis, he cherry picks texts without regard for their contexts, and he regularly disregards the Hebrew culture of key passages. In the end we remain unconvinced by his case for the Trinity.

Here are two manuscripts on Romans 9.5.  The first is Codex Vaticanus and the second is Codex Alexandrinus.  Note the very interesting punctuation after the word σάρκα (flesh) in each.  This indicates that the 4th and 5th century scribes took the latter clause as a distinct unit from the former in agreement with the punctuation we find in the New American Bible (NAB), "theirs the patriarchs, and from them, according to the flesh, is the Messiah. God who is over all be blessed forever. Amen."  For comparison, here is the Greek from the NA28, "ὧν οἱ πατέρες καὶ ἐξ ὧν ὁ Χριστὸς τὸ κατὰ σάρκα, ὁ ὢν ἐπὶ πάντων θεὸς εὐλογητὸς εἰς τοὺς αἰῶνας, ἀμήν."

To help you follow along, here is the relevant portion of the manuscript Brown used for his opening statement:

That’s why Isaiah said in 9:6 that one of the Messiah’s titles would be, “Mighty God,” yet in Isaiah 10:21, it is Yahweh who is called “Mighty God.” That’s why Thomas said to the risen Jesus, “My Lord and my God!” in John 20:28. The text is totally clear! Thomas called Jesus his Lord and his God. And that’s why Paul wrote in Colossians 2:9 that “the whole fullness of deity” dwelt in bodily form in Jesus.

Peter is clear as well, writing in 2 Peter 1:1 about “the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.” And it is very likely that Paul speaks of Jesus as God in Romans 9:5, while it is most likely that in 1 John 5:20, John states that Jesus Christ is “the true God.”

That’s why Jesus could say that the Father was in Him and He in the Father (John 14:9-11). That’s why Paul identifies the Spirit of God with the Spirit of Christ in Romans 8:9-11. That’s why Paul could pray to the Father and Son together in 1 Thessalonians 3:13, saying, “Now may our God and Father himself, and our Lord Jesus, direct our way to you,” using a singular verb for the Father and Jesus. And why else would Paul include Jesus in a prayer to the Father, let alone pray to the Father and Son using a singular verb in the Greek – unless they are one? (See also 2 Thessalonians 2:16-17, where Paul puts Jesus first in the prayer, using a singular verb again: “Now may our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father, who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace, comfort your hearts and establish them in every good work and word.”)

And that’s why prayer is offered directly to the Son in the New Testament. Stephen prays to Him in Acts 7:59 (“Lord Jesus, receive my spirit”); we are taught to pray, “Maranatha,” which in Aramaic means, “Our Lord, come!” And John calls out to Him in prayer in Revelation, “Even so, come Lord Jesus!” (Rev 22:20). Jesus even told us to ask Him for anything and He would do it (see John 14:14).

And that’s why, in Revelation 22, we read th

...more
View all episodesView all episodes
Download on the App Store

RestitutioBy Sean P Finnegan

  • 4.8
  • 4.8
  • 4.8
  • 4.8
  • 4.8

4.8

151 ratings


More shows like Restitutio

View all
The Joe Rogan Experience by Joe Rogan

The Joe Rogan Experience

229,780 Listeners

BibleProject by BibleProject Podcast

BibleProject

19,502 Listeners

Trinities by Dale Tuggy

Trinities

126 Listeners

The World and Everything In It by WORLD Radio

The World and Everything In It

7,160 Listeners

LHIM Weekly Bible Teaching by Living Hope International Ministries

LHIM Weekly Bible Teaching

23 Listeners

The Biblical Unitarian Podcast by Dustin Smith

The Biblical Unitarian Podcast

80 Listeners

Ask NT Wright Anything by Premier Unbelievable

Ask NT Wright Anything

2,069 Listeners

One God Report by William Schlegel

One God Report

61 Listeners

The Shawn Ryan Show by Shawn Ryan

The Shawn Ryan Show

46,375 Listeners

Bible Feed by Bible Feed

Bible Feed

8 Listeners

Transfigured by Transfigured

Transfigured

16 Listeners

Morning Wire by The Daily Wire

Morning Wire

26,665 Listeners

Misquoting Jesus with Bart Ehrman by Bart Ehrman

Misquoting Jesus with Bart Ehrman

688 Listeners

The Tucker Carlson Show by Tucker Carlson Network

The Tucker Carlson Show

17,053 Listeners

Candace by Candace Owens

Candace

11,244 Listeners