The key error of the "pre-incarnate" Christ understanding of John 8:58 is in translating Jesus’ statement about Abraham in the past when it refers to Abraham coming to be in the future.

Christians often say, “Jesus paid the penalty for my sin”.

But we will be hard pressed to find that declaration in the Bible. Is such a declaration

In this episode Kevin George, author of Atonement and Reconciliation: A Search for the Original Meaning, Contrasted with Penal Substitutionary Atonement, explains

https://www.amazon.com/Atonement-Reconciliation-contrasted-Substitutionary-Atonement/dp/B0CHDKFWCC

George explains how the focus of atonement is a restored relationship between God and humans based on a covenant made by God through Jesus, not on a legal substitutionary payment. The covenant is a blood covenant (proving loyalty to death) for the release of sins, not a “blood payment”.

If salvation is a gift of God, why did Jesus or anyone else have to pay for it? 

Did God clear the guilty by accepting a payment from someone else? Is that a bribe?

One God Report Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/1fJjk0QUhsyr8r9hVCgoFk

Bill Schlegel YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@billschlegel1

Bill Schlegel blog: https://landandbible.blogspot.com/

A description of the mosaic inscription "to God Jesus Christ" found at Megiddo/Legio and on display at the Bible Museum in Washington D.C.

Video version of this podcast: https://youtu.be/Hg6Dm4mx_SU

PART 2

What if John 1:3 is translated as "all happened through him, and without him nothing happened. That which happened (came to be) in him was life, and the life was the light of men"?

Compare the Literal Standard Version and Young's Literal Translation.

What if John 1:3 is translated as "all happened through him, and without him nothing happened" (compare the literal translations: the Literal Standard Version and Young's Literal Translation)?

Stories of how former Trinitarians, Atheists and Jehovah’s

Book

#biblicalunitarian, #bible, #Jesus, #countthecost,

Who is the Servant described in Isaiah 53? Israel? Jesus Christ? Someone else? Whoever the Suffering Servant of Isaiah 53 is, it is clear that the Servant is NOT God.

The servant of Isaiah 53 is the Servant of God.

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Dr. Tim Mackie appeared on the Transfiguration Podcast,

0:00 Intro: Dr. Mackie’s search: How are Trinitarian expressions of God derived from the Bible?

02:20 Definition: What is the Trinity. Confusion between God as the Father alone, Trinitarianism, and Modalism. How many persons/selves is God?

08:03 Partial Knowledge. “Our knowledge of God will always be partial. The Trinity is a mystery.”

14:27 Progressive Revelation “Our knowledge of how many persons God is, was revealed progressively.”

24:00 Agency: the agent (one sent) of the sender is considered to legally be the presence of the sender.

26:14 How and When was the Trinity revealed? A couple New Testament references that supposedly hint that “Jesus is God”. Do Jesus’ miracles prove Jesus is

37:00 Any common ground between One-God-the-Father believers, and Trinitarians?  Different narratives.

40:41 A thank you and challenge to Dr. Mackie.

Resources:

Transfigured Interview: Tim Mackie - The Trinity, Hermeneutics & Doctrinal Development

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyCqhMDudYU&t=1561s

Is the Trinity in the Bible? If So, Where?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POVaZX3urdc

How and When was the Trinity Revealed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6HaqhjicWv8

My Lord and My God, Trinitarians Get it Wrong, John 20:28

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxYp4n52P8Q

Text: https://landandbible.blogspot.com/2019/12/my-lord-and-my-god-trinitarians-get-it.html

One God Report Podcast:

Land and Bible blog (Bill Schlegel)

https://landandbible.blogspot.com/

1.      The claim is non-biblical, philosophical speculation.  This claim is not something argued or presented in the Bible.

2.      The Bible says exactly the opposite. The Bible says that Jesus had to be a man, a human being, not just a

Problems: The claim that Jesus had to be God to atone for

And that penalty is death. The claim is that instead of me, somebody else had to die for my sin. My sin is worthy of death, so, unless someone pays the death penalty, I will die. If someone else pays the penalty, then I don’t have to die. My sin is worthy of death, so that’s why a death is required for justice. Someone had to pay the death penalty – so instead of me, Jesus, who had to be

Now again, this is not a biblical claim. It is man’s philosophical speculation. And, I think that we can see that the Bible says something quite the opposite.

But even from a human or philosophical aspect, I think most people, if we think about it a little bit, can see the serious, non-biblical, theological, philosophical dead ends and inconsistencies with the claim.

Let’s say I murder someone. The biblical penalty for murder is death. I deserve death. I’ve been convicted in a court of law by jurors and a judge and sentenced to

So, the judge says, “OK, the penalty for this crime is death. If you are willing to pay the penalty, come on over here. Executioners, take the handcuffs off Bill and

Nope.

For the “Jesus must be God to pay for sin” folks there is another step in their philosophical, non-biblical speculation. They start thinking: well, maybe

But our situation is not just one person for one person. The deity of Christ philosopher thinks, “Whoa, to pay the penalty for all sinners, for millions and billions of sinners, Jesus would have to be eternal God to be enough to do that”.

God died (again, in direct contradiction to the Scriptures). In the Bible God is immortal and does not die. Well, not all of God died. Only one person of God died. So God did but God did not die.

“And death is only the separation of the soul from the body. One person of God, or the soul/spirit of that one person, had taken on a human nature. So the spirit

Some comments:

1.      A person-less human nature (whatever

Resources:

Jesus had to be a “Mere” Man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtQXFuOXBaA

"Jesus had to be God to atone for our sins." Really? Got a Scripture for that?

https://landandbible.blogspot.com/2019/01/jesus-had-to-be-god-to-atone-for-our.html

Book: Atonement and Reconciliation:

https://www.amazon.com/Atonement-Reconciliation-contrasted-Substitutionary-Atonement/dp/B0CHDKFWCC