In this episode of What the Prophets Say, Emma Stark is joined by Jonah Wilson and Matt Johnson for a hilarious, honest, and weighty end-of-year conversation that turns sharply into a prophetic call: the Church has a leadership problem, and it’s rooted in a lack of journeying with people.

Together they unpack what it means to follow Jesus and lead others at the same time. From Peter’s messy, Spirit-led learning curve to modern leaders who raise people up too quickly without real parenting and accountability, this episode challenges listeners to move from past-to-present thinking into present-to-future leadership.

You’ll hear why:

• Leadership requires releasing others, not gathering crowds
• “bigger buildings” can be the wrong dream
• Some endings must be expedited to step into new mantles
• Healthy ministry needs boundaries (“good fences make good neighbours”)
• Every leader needs wells, not constant drains
• We all need people beside us, and someone to pull up

If you’ve been faithful in the pew, the Bible study, or the background, consider this your push: it’s time to lead something, journey with someone, and build a company of leaders for what’s ahead.

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