Heather Gold is a speaker, podcaster, activist, and geek comedian who creates interactive performances combining theatre, stand-up, and the Net. She’s appeared on NPR, boingboing.net, TechTV, Air America, WIRED, The Wall Street Journal, and a dozen more.

Producer’s Note: This episode was recorded prior to Election Day 2016 in the U.S., and is double-length.

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