Axe and Murphy sit down with the one and only John Heilemann to try to make sense of this moment. The Hacks discuss some of the dynamics that contributed to the insurrection, the politics of a second impeachment trial, and Trump’s unwillingness to accept any responsibility for the mob he helped incite. But, it’s not all doom and gloom: The Hacks also discuss the rounding out of Biden’s cabinet, including the one and only Gov. Gina Raimondo.

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