Two guests who are regulars and part of the PWNA family, Jack Hoey (father) and Chip Judd iron out their contrasting views on how we interact with God and what we can and can’t be sure of, including whether God even exists in the first place. Joey explains how his peace with and closeness to God feels way more palpable and vibrant when he stays in a space of “I believe with all my heart, but I really also can’t know.” (This conversation begins at 10:30 mark)

Episode beings with an uncomfortable interview that Joey conducts with one who struggles with mental illness. It sounds like Joey but given his ultra-evangelical/fundamentalist slant and minimizing of mental illness during the whole interview, it’s hard to make sense of this one (wink, wink). 

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