<div>On this episode of The In Between, host Mel Barrett has an unfiltered and emotional discussion with Samantha and Jules Werkheiser, two women incarcerated with Pamela Smart, who were wrongfully convicted of child sexual assault. Their story is a cautionary tale and they're using their time as exonerated women to make a difference in our legal system, after decades were stolen from them. 
 
**LISTENER DISCRETION: Some listeners might find the subject matter of this episode disturbing such as sexual assault, mental and physical abuse, and child sexual assault and abuse. Listener discretion is advised.  
 
Please don't forget to subscribe, rate, review, and share these important stories with your friends and family.  
 
Follow The In Between Podcast at:  
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Love Beyond Bars: <a href="https://www.themarshallproject.org/2024/07/19/photo-essay-werkheisers-wrongful-conviction">https://www.themarshallproject.org/2024/07/19/photo-essay-werkheisers-wrongful-conviction</a> 
 
Mothers on the Inside: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100063547930270">https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100063547930270</a> 
 
HALT Solitary Confinement Act: <a href="https://nyassembly.gov/leg/?default_fld=&leg_video=&bn=A02500&term=2019&Summary=Y&Actions=Y&Committee%26nbspVotes=Y&Floor%26nbspVotes=Y&Memo=Y&Text=Y">https://nyassembly.gov/leg/?default_fld=&leg_video=&bn=A02500&term=2019&Summary=Y&Actions=Y&Committee%26nbspVotes=Y&Floor%26nbspVotes=Y&Memo=Y&Text=Y</a> 
 
 
 

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On this episode of The In Between, host Mel Barrett has an unfiltered and emotional discussion with Samantha and Jules Werkheiser, two women incarcerated with Pamela Smart, who were wrongfully convicted of child sexual assault. Their story is a cautionary tale and they're using their time as exonerated women to make a difference in our legal system, after decades were stolen from them. **LISTENER DISCRETION: Some listeners might find the subject matter of this episode disturbing such as sexual assault, mental and physical abuse, and child sexual assault and abuse. Listener discretion is advised. Please don't forget to subscribe, rate, review, and share these important stories with your friends and family. Follow The In Between Podcast at: IG: @TheInBetweenPodOfficial FB: @TheInBetweenPod Bluesky: @inbetweenpod Web: inbetweenpod.com Love Beyond Bars: https://www.themarshallproject.org/2024/07/19/photo-essay-werkheisers-wrongful-conviction Mothers on the Inside: https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100063547930270 HALT Solitary Confinement Act: https://nyassembly.gov/leg/?default_fld=&leg_video=&bn=A02500&term=2019&Summary=Y&Actions=Y&Committee%26nbspVotes=Y&Floor%26nbspVotes=Y&Memo=Y&Text=Y

On this episode of The In Between, host Mel Barrett has an unfiltered and emotional discussion with Samantha and Jules Werkheiser, two women incarcerated with Pamela Smart, who were wrongfully convicted of child sexual assault. Their story is a cautionary tale and they're using their time as exonerated women to make a difference in our legal system, after decades were stolen from them. 
 
**LISTENER DISCRETION: Some listeners might find the subject matter of this episode disturbing such as sexual assault, mental and physical abuse, and child sexual assault and abuse. Listener discretion is advised.&nbsp; 
 
Please don't forget to subscribe, rate, review, and share these important stories with your friends and family.&nbsp; 
 
Follow The In Between Podcast at:&nbsp; 
IG: @TheInBetweenPodOfficial 
FB: @TheInBetweenPod 
Bluesky: @inbetweenpod
Web: <a href="http://inbetweenpod.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">inbetweenpod.com</a>


 
 
Love Beyond Bars: <a href="https://www.themarshallproject.org/2024/07/19/photo-essay-werkheisers-wrongful-conviction" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.themarshallproject.org/2024/07/19/photo-essay-werkheisers-wrongful-conviction</a> 
 
Mothers on the Inside: <a href="https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100063547930270" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100063547930270</a> 
 
HALT Solitary Confinement Act: <a href="https://nyassembly.gov/leg/?default_fld=&amp;leg_video=&amp;bn=A02500&amp;term=2019&amp;Summary=Y&amp;Actions=Y&amp;Committee%26nbspVotes=Y&amp;Floor%26nbspVotes=Y&amp;Memo=Y&amp;Text=Y" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://nyassembly.gov/leg/?default_fld=&amp;leg_video=&amp;bn=A02500&amp;term=2019&amp;Summary=Y&amp;Actions=Y&amp;Committee%26nbspVotes=Y&amp;Floor%26nbspVotes=Y&amp;Memo=Y&amp;Text=Y</a>

24: **BONUS** EXONERATION Samantha and Jules Werkheiser's Story

<div>There’s the official story. And then there’s the truth. 
 
The In Between is an investigative narrative podcast that digs into cases where the facts got buried, distorted, or deliberately ignored. Hosted by journalist and screenwriter Mel Barrett, each season unpacks one story that was never fully told, blending deep reporting, legal analysis, and raw personal narrative. 
 
Mel doesn’t just rehash headlines—she goes digging. She’s spent over a decade uncovering new evidence in the Pamela Smart case, work that helped form the basis of a new habeas petition. In Season One, she revisits the trial that made Smart a national villain—and questions everything we thought we knew. 
 
Season Two, From Victim to Accused: The Veronika Rodriguez Story, pulls back the curtain on a case where a 26-year-old Air National Guard member reported a sexual assault—and ended up the one in handcuffs. What happened next is more than a miscarriage of justice. It’s a warning. 
 
This is the space between the crime and the courtroom, the headlines and the hidden truth. This is The In Between. 
 
Join the Investigator Club for AD FREE, exclusive behind-the-scenes, and bonus content of The In Between Podcast: <a href="https://patreon.com/TheInBetweenPodcastwithMelBarrett?utm_medium=unknown&amp;utm_source=join_link&amp;utm_campaign=creatorshare_creator&amp;utm_content=copyLink">https://patreon.com/TheInBetweenPodcastwithMelBarrett?utm_medium=unknown&amp;utm_source=join_link&amp;utm_campaign=creatorshare_creator&amp;utm_content=copyLink</a> 
 
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Web: <a href="http://inbetweenpod.com/">inbetweenpod.com</a> 
 
 

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There’s the official story. And then there’s the truth. The In Between is an investigative narrative podcast that digs into cases where the facts got buried, distorted, or deliberately ignored. Hosted by journalist and screenwriter Mel Barrett, each season unpacks one story that was never fully told, blending deep reporting, legal analysis, and raw personal narrative. Mel doesn’t just rehash headlines—she goes digging. She’s spent over a decade uncovering new evidence in the Pamela Smart case, work that helped form the basis of a new habeas petition. In Season One, she revisits the trial that made Smart a national villain—and questions everything we thought we knew. Season Two, From Victim to Accused: The Veronika Rodriguez Story, pulls back the curtain on a case where a 26-year-old Air National Guard member reported a sexual assault—and ended up the one in handcuffs. What happened next is more than a miscarriage of justice. It’s a warning. This is the space between the crime and the courtroom, the headlines and the hidden truth. This is The In Between. Join the Investigator Club for AD FREE, exclusive behind-the-scenes, and bonus content of The In Between Podcast: https://patreon.com/TheInBetweenPodcastwithMelBarrett?utm_medium=unknown&utm_source=join_link&utm_campaign=creatorshare_creator&utm_content=copyLink Follow The In Between Podcast at: IG: @TheInBetweenPodOfficial FB: @TheInBetweenPod Bluesky: @inbetweenpod TikTok: @jackofalltradesdc Web: inbetweenpod.com

There’s the official story. And then there’s the truth. 
 
The In Between is an investigative narrative podcast that digs into cases where the facts got buried, distorted, or deliberately ignored. Hosted by journalist and screenwriter Mel Barrett, each season unpacks one story that was never fully told, blending deep reporting, legal analysis, and raw personal narrative. 
 
Mel doesn’t just rehash headlines—she goes digging. She’s spent over a decade uncovering new evidence in the Pamela Smart case, work that helped form the basis of a new habeas petition. In Season One, she revisits the trial that made Smart a national villain—and questions everything we thought we knew. 
 
Season Two, From Victim to Accused: The Veronika Rodriguez Story, pulls back the curtain on a case where a 26-year-old Air National Guard member reported a sexual assault—and ended up the one in handcuffs. What happened next is more than a miscarriage of justice. It’s a warning. 
 
This is the space between the crime and the courtroom, the headlines and the hidden truth. This is The In Between. 
 
Join the Investigator Club for AD FREE, exclusive behind-the-scenes, and bonus content of The In Between Podcast: <a href="https://patreon.com/TheInBetweenPodcastwithMelBarrett?utm_medium=unknown&amp;utm_source=join_link&amp;utm_campaign=creatorshare_creator&amp;utm_content=copyLink" rel="noopener noreferrer">https://patreon.com/TheInBetweenPodcastwithMelBarrett?utm_medium=unknown&amp;utm_source=join_link&amp;utm_campaign=creatorshare_creator&amp;utm_content=copyLink</a> 
 
Follow The In Between Podcast at: 
IG: @TheInBetweenPodOfficial 
FB: @TheInBetweenPod 
Bluesky: @inbetweenpod 
TikTok: @jackofalltradesdc 
 
Web: <a href="http://inbetweenpod.com/" rel="noopener noreferrer">inbetweenpod.com</a>

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