In this episode of The In Between Podcast, host Mel Barrett speaks at length with Sam Nordquist's mother and sister about the months leading up to Sam's disappearance and heinous murder and what happens next.

Sam Nordquist was a typical twenty-four year-old guy. He loved TikTok, his family and friends, and animals. And like so many of us, Sam found love online. After a short period of dating, Sam traveled from his home state of Minnesota to meet his love, Precious Arzuaga, a thirty-eight year-old single mother, whom he hoped to start a life with.

But Sam didn't find love in Canandaigua, New York. He found depravity, violence, and sadism--allegedly--at the hands of the woman who was supposed to love him. Later, Sam would be found dead in a field in upstate New York. His broken body showed signs of a month's long torture, depravation, and murder at the hands of Precious Arzuaga and a group of violent misfits. 

Pamela Smart answers various questions and discusses an appeal and what's next.

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Mel talks at length with someone very close to the case and the boys who perpetrated the murder, Raymond's brother, Robert. 

Robert goes into detail about what happened the night of the murder when the boys came back to his home and what it was like in the months leading up to the trial, including his thoughts on Pam Smart and her sentence.

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Even Manson had the option of parole. 

Mel speaks further with the Sentencing Project and a Democratic Representative from NH who is introducing a new bill that might offer the opportunity of parole for Pamela Smart.

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Mel got the chance to catch up with Pam, which gave her an opportunity to respond to the podcast so far.

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The media's role in creating the trope of the "manipulative ice princess" and how that categorization found Pam Smart's family desperately searching to find their daughter and sister within the prison system when she went missing during the first two years of her Life Without Parole Sentence.

Listen to find out where she was and why her family couldn't find her until it was too late to say goodbye.

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For fourteen days in March of 1991, the country and much of the world was riveted by a court case in a tiny New Hampshire town called, Exeter. The Pamela Smart Accomplice to Murder Trial.

​Perhaps everyone was so enthralled by the spectacle they missed the very real possibility of a miscarriage of justice, but there's the tape and transcripts. Mel takes a deep dive on the trial and errors that occurred.

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This episode wasn't planned, but Mel felt compelled to share it when she FINALLY tracked down one of the key players in this story, and he spent an hour with her. This is the only episode in the series that is comprised of an interview with a source. Listen to find out why.

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The wire taps were the only physical evidence against Pamela Smart, so the questions remain: Was Pamela Smart acting when she was recorded by the Derry Police and Cecelia Pierce? She says she was.

Were the wiretaps edited or spliced? Forensic audiologists say yes.

Who transcribed the tapes? The prosecutor says some "secretary" in the Attorney General's office, not a certified transcriber.

Mel dives deep into the tapes in this episode and even manages to get her hands on the famed transcripts.

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