Interview starts 34:33 Robert W. Sullivan IV, joins us again to chat about his latest book on the symbolism in cinema. Cinema Symbolism 2 is now out and it's full of intersting examples of symbolism. We chat about some of the book and the chapters on the Collaborators, Black Swan, Eyes Wide Shut and the OTO, the anti hero's, the hero's journey, The Illuminate in film, X-files and much more. Robert is a Freemason so we also get into that and it's influence on culture and structure over the years. https://robertwsullivaniv.com/ https://twitter.com/robwsullivan4 In the intro we chat about the black budget ep that was released with Sal about Disney and his experience through recovery and creativity. Graham shares some listener stories and the UFO quote of the week. We also speculate on doing a flat earth debate for some of the bonus content and keep that polarizing stuff out of the normal feed. See the links below for stuff we chatted about during the episode and the intro: http://www.grimerica.ca/episodes/ep198/ Paul is dead http://www.grimerica.ca/episodes/ep203/ PEP / kek ep http://www.grimerica.ca/episodes/grimerica-talks-to-robert-w-sullivan-iv/ http://www.grimerica.ca/episodes/sullivan2/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PFyoAbKk-iE Mathisen and star myths on Grimerica http://grimsteak.libsyn.com/ Cruzin with Steak Podcast Please help support the show…. Grimerica's DoBeDoBeDo List: Grimerica is fully and solely listener supported. We adhere to the Value for Value model. 0 ads, 0 sponsorships, 0 breaks, 0 portals and links to corporate websites… just many hours of unlimited content for free. Thanks for listening!! Join the chat / hangout with a bunch of fellow Grimerican's www.grimerica.ca/chats Support the show directly http://www.grimerica.ca/support Leave a Voicemail http://speakpipe.com/grimerica Leave a review on iTunes and/or Stitcher https://itunes.apple.com/ca/podcast/the-grimerica-show/id653314424?mt=2# http://www.stitcher.com/podcast/the-grimerica-show Sign up for our newsletter http://www.grimerica.ca/news Leave a comment, ideas and guest/topic suggestions under any episode or blog http://www.grimerica.ca/ SPAM Graham = and send him your synchronicities, feedback, strange experiences and psychedelic trip reports!! [email protected] InstaGRAM https://www.instagram.com/the_grimerica_show_podcast/ Tweet Darren https://twitter.com/Grimerica Connect through other platforms: https://www.reddit.com/r/grimerica/ https://gab.ai/Grimerica Purchase swag, with partial proceeds donated to the show www.grimerica.ca/swag Send us a postcard or letter http://www.grimerica.ca/contact/ Thanks to Wayne Darnell for help with the website. http://www.darnelldigitalink.com/ http://www.lostbreadcomic.com/ link to Napolean Duheme's site Felix's Site sirfelix.bandcamp.com MUSIC Grimerica Theme - Lock & Key The Collector - Broke for Free Illusion Confusion Blues - Sir Felix Ortega II